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| Evo rims; Fitting on standard 190/E | |
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| Topic Started: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:49 am (665 Views) | |
| smiffy | Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:49 am Post #1 |
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any of you after a set of genuine(he says??)evo rims?with tyres. set of 4,0 bids on them,less than 2 days before auc ends,ends 19th feb @ 19.04. item no.4613589843 sorry couldnt do a linky cheap set,if i could waste money id buy em 
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| -V- | Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:00 pm Post #2 |
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Evo II Rims... And They're Genuine Too!
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| rhodrimb | Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:20 pm Post #3 |
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Will these fit a 16v? (obviously the tyres would need changing... ) or is 8.25" too wide without modifications to the arches?? 
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| smiffy | Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:38 pm Post #4 |
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spoke to stacy82 n his 18s had 8 j width ,said he had no probs with rubbing. with 8.5j you might on the front though,those rims are gorgs how much is your cos lowered by?smiffy
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| Cossie 2.5 | Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:22 pm Post #5 |
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blinder.gif dazzle.gif smileypiss.gif I am so chuffed, I've managed to win them!! They're going straight on my 2.5-16!! Smiffy, hopefully I'll make it to a gtg soon and I'll definately owe you a drink, got them at a blinding price too!! Can't wait to pick them up. 
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| smiffy | Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:38 pm Post #6 |
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whoo hooo!!!! nice one cossie 2.5,,you def bagged a bargain there |
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| Cossie 2.5 | Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:23 pm Post #7 |
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Yeah, I'm gonna fit them tomorrow... do you think I'll have any problems slotting them straight on?? The guy thinks they may rub a little at the front... if so is it just a tyre size change I need and if so what size is best do you know? Smiffy, hold me to that drink mate, I wouldn't have seen them if it hadn't been for you posting them here... Right Result blinder.gif |
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| Cossie 2.5 | Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:35 pm Post #8 |
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This is what she looks like before I change the rims...  I'll post a couple of pics with the new rims tomorrow. |
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| dave_irl | Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:47 pm Post #9 |
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Can't wait to see what they look like fitted, nice they went to someone in the club
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| smiffy | Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:52 pm Post #10 |
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the rears no probs,not sure on the front though bud?205s? set your cossie off nice those evo rims,silver as well,(like russells)rare colour. get the pics up soon as  |
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| -V- | Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:46 pm Post #11 |
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Hmmmmm..... well - congrats on the purchase on the Evo wheels. The issue of fitment has been discussed for many moons on many forums, and the general idea that came out of it was that you will struggle to get these wheels to fit. Remember that these wheels were standard on Evo IIs were available as an option on 500Es - both of these are cars with HUGE extended wheel arches with lots of space underneath them. First off, there is no way that they will fit on a 190E with those tyres on - they will rub like a bitch all over the place. :wacko: With the width of the rim being 8.25 you will need a minumum tyre width of 225, 215 would be too much of a stretch. I'm guessing that you could go for a 225/35/17 or a 225/40/17 tyre - both of which could have the possibility of rubbing and aren't exactly the cheapest of tyres unfortunately..  Out of the two, I would say that the 225/35/17 tyre will be the one which is less likely to rub and would probably be your best choice. However, I would be inclined to go to a wheel specialist and speak to them before getting them fitted. Really hope it works out for you as the price you got them for is excellent! All the best, keep us posted. |
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| Cossie 2.5 | Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:54 pm Post #12 |
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How can I get a tyre that is less width than the wheel... is it not just the profile that I can adjust.... 43 to 35. If I get tyre of less width then how that does that work? |
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| big al merc | Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:58 pm Post #13 |
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i would be tempted to just try them first you may be surprised
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| Snake | Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:11 pm Post #14 |
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First class mate get pics on asap ,i bet you,r face hurts grinning.
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| -V- | Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:13 pm Post #15 |
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You cannot get a tyre which is less than the width of the rim. The rim will pop out or the tyre will be so stretched trying to cover the whole width of the rim, it will be come seriously damaged and i would NOT even try it. Basically, the recommendation is that the tyre should be quite a bit wider than the width of the rim so that it is not over stretched and so that there is enough space inside of the tyre for the rim to sit comfortably in. The overall width of a 215 width tyre is 215mm. The overall width of each of these rims is 209.55mm Meaning that if you were to mount a tyre with a width of 215, you would have only 5.4mm space inside the tyre. Personally, I would NOT even consider this as there is too little space inside the tyre for the rim to sit in, and if you ever had any problems with the tyre - the rim would pop out quicker than you could say the word pop. With a 225 width tyre (225mm) and having a 8.25" rim (209.55) inside it, isn't too bad as there would then be 15.45mm space inside the tyre which is quite reasonable, and is quite frankly the only way you are going to get them onto your car without any major problems. The standard 235/45/17 and 245/45/17 tyres WILL NOT FIT... 235 and 245 are simply TOO wide for a standard 190E without any arch modifications, not to mention the 45 profile on each wheel which will probably rub anyway any arches you once had there. To see what i mean, you can by all means mount them on to your car to see the problems they will cause, even at standard suspension. I would suggest 225/35/17 - BUT would strongly recommend going to a specialist tyre place first and getting their opinion.
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| Cossie 2.5 | Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:24 am Post #16 |
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Thanks for your advice.... do I need to change front AND rear tyres then -V-?? |
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| -V- | Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:47 am Post #17 |
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At the minute - yes, unfortunately. The standard 190 arches (even with the 16v models) are just not big enough to accommodate tyres with a width of 235 and 245. Here's the best way to look at it, look at an Evo II's arches (huge!) and those tyres sizes were the standard size fitted to them. It is highly unlikely that the wheel/tyre combo fitted to that car as standard would fit straight onto a non-evo. It's not the end of the world though! I learned a really important saying last year which was "A Problem Is An Opportunity For A Solution"... If the tyres don't fit (which they won't) then make it so that they do fit! It's up to you how you want to do it. These wheels are quite hard to come by if not going through the dealership route and you got them for a steal imo! If you want them on that badly, just accommodate your arches so that they will fit. Get them flared/extended slightly so that they will fit under nicely. Just a thought, but it's entirely up to you how you want to do it. When do you think you would be going to a tyre place? V
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| Cossie 2.5 | Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:01 pm Post #18 |
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Hiya, been sorting tyres today... I've got two sorted for the fronts... 225/35/17 but I have to wait until tomorrow for the rears... I've ordered the same size for the rear and they now seem to have almost the same rolling circumference as the orginal 15s!! So they don't look as big as they should perhaps, but I still love em! You are right and I have got them for a steel and I do want them on the car but I never really wanted to go down the road of flaring the arches and I still don't really... the 225/35s seem to be ok but I'll know for sure when they all go on tomorrow I'll post some pics up once it's all done and you can all give me your oppinions! :unsure: Thanks for all your help though. |
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| -V- | Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:18 pm Post #19 |
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Just been doing a few calculations and it appears that with a 225/35 tyre, you shouldn't be far off from what the car had as standard (205/55/15 if my memory serves me correctly?) Best of luck with it all and please post up pics once they're on! All the best, V.
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| Cossie 2.5 | Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:38 pm Post #20 |
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 Here she is with the new Evo rims....  smileypiss.gif
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| Snake | Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post #21 |
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Excellent mate , i,m sure you hav,nt stopped grinning from you fitted them.
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| merc190uk | Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:30 pm Post #22 |
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nice one chap bigger pictures at the same location and angle as before for that perfect before and after affect !! top purchase tho mate. |
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| -V- | Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:16 am Post #23 |
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Looking good!
What tyres are on there in the picture?
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| Cossie 2.5 | Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:41 pm Post #24 |
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I was wondering if you'd notice that!?! :ph43r: The tyres on it in that picture are the big beasties! 235/45... I managed to take a quick snap this morning of the car with the 225/35s... It's only with my phone so need to take some proper pics soon and then I'll post them up... maybe even car of the month!?  The rims are very subject to danger!! Even the smallest kerb would touch them! There's not a lot I can do about it now however, those tyres are not cheap so I can't just change them for the sake of it now... with that in mind does anybody know anyone that needs 17" tyres....? 2x Pirellie 235/45/17 & 2x Goodyear 245/45/17??? |
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| dave_irl | Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:26 pm Post #25 |
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Just thought I'd throw in my $0.02, I have 225's on my 9J (228.6mm) wheels, and they have not popped off, they fit quite nicely. They are 45 profile with only a tiniest hint of stretching (not the extreme euro style hehe) but I think you can get away with a tiny bit of tyre stretch maybe? Granted they rub like hell but thats to do with my arches which I plan on having modified soon anyway so it doesnt bother me really. As for kerbing, the Kumhos I have on have "rim protection", just a rolled out bit of rubber really, but that and the 45 profile means my rims are not too vulnerably thankfully! Hope you get them to fit nicely mate they look really well on your car, and I know what its like having to dampen your driving a bit to accomodate wheel/tyre/arch issues.. only temporarily mind As Steve said looking forward to the bigger pics
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| -V- | Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:27 pm Post #26 |
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Yep, thought they were! They look huge and very problematic! Looks much better with the 225/35s! Look forward to seeing some bigger pics!
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| smiffy | Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:58 am Post #27 |
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looking stunning the rims coss 2.5, totally transforms the 190
are you getting any rubbing on th front ? |
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| Cossie 2.5 | Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:32 am Post #28 |
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No rubbing anywhere BUT one of the front tyres has started going flat!!?? I had to go up to Nottigham at the weekend and she feels lovely (not a harder ride at all) but when I woke up yesterday and looked at the car the tyre was almost flat so I pumped it up and it was fine all the way home and now this morning it's really low again...! It's acting like a slow puncture but my guess is it's not sealing on the rim properly and leaking air!! Have to go back to the tyre guy on Wednesday and see what he thinks! By the way.... what kind of air pressure should be in this size tyre!!?? (225/35/17) |
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| -V- | Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:54 pm Post #29 |
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32psi should be fine. I know there are some members that run slightly less PSI and slightly more PSI with tyres of a similar size to what you have. Dave - sorry mate, should have made myself a bit more clear. The rim is likely to pop out if the tyre is quite stretched and is neglected - i.e. not having enough air inside it to hold the rim. Otherwise, you should be ok. 
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| dave_irl | Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:59 pm Post #30 |
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I run my tyres at around 2.2 Bar (32psi ~).. Reminds me I must check the pressure in my spare
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| Matt | Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:24 pm Post #31 |
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Mine were doing that, basically its because the tyres are not wide enough, not getting a good seal. That was my problem, so I would get it checked. Thought it was a slow puncture at first but realised it was down to the tyre sizes. 
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| Cossie 2.5 | Tue Feb 28, 2006 2:28 pm Post #32 |
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What did you do to get it fixed?? |
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| Cossie 2.5 | Wed Mar 1, 2006 9:25 pm Post #33 |
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It's all sorted... the valve was leaking!! Nice and easy problem to fix (for once!!) <_<
Looking on the tyre charts some say that pressure is up around 40psi!?? Any input? |
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| rhodrimb | Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:23 pm Post #34 |
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40psi seems a bit much... I'd go with 35, but any less would mean more roll on the tyre wall with the extra width. <_< |
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| yvrbenz | Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:22 am Post #35 |
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I'm going to dispell some myths, right here, right now. first of all: tire pressures have NOTHING to do with the tire size. secondly, do NOT use the max allowable pressure on the sidewall. Just because your car redlines at 7700rpm, does that mean you run it there all the time? NO. thirdly, there should be a tire pressure chart on the inside of your fuel filler door. ALL auto manufacturers provide this chart so that the owner can reference tire pressures if needed. fourthly, i don't care what the tire manufacturer says their recommended tire pressure is, use the auto manufacturer's recommendation because the auto manufacturer known how the car is going to load the tires. I have no idea where these misconception come from, but apparently it's in the heads of at least 50% of the world's population. "Proper" tire pressure is a subjective thing. By changing tire pressures you can change the handling characteristics of your car and the rate of tire wear. START at the manufacturer's recommendations on the aforementioned tire pressure chart and go from there. increased pressure in the front will tend to cause understeer, while increased pressure in the rear will tend to cause oversteer. Ride quality is also affected by tire pressure. As is fuel economy, turn-in rate, tire wear, tire temperatures, etc. It's all about the physics. |
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| cra_arc | Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:12 am Post #36 |
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run at about 32 psi normally on mine but go on look an feel tyre should sit with full contact on ground depending on load carried etc i.e not be concave or convex !!!!! easy peasy how ddi i miss this wheel thread doh !!!!!!! at work now so cant see the pics even more doh :wacko: |
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