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| Tweet Topic Started: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:42 pm (1,745 Views) | |
| BBSparky | Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:42 pm Post #1 |
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Hi guys, just been having a think about putting something together for my 190 and wondered who else had done this. Is it right that i can use the ari intake from a mk2 golf then add a filter to that and fit it? Sure ive seen a pic of someone who did something similar. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers |
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| Snake | Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:28 pm Post #2 |
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There were a few that did that and yes it was the golf intake and i think the vw bora intake did the job too.
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| BBSparky | Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:38 pm Post #3 |
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Cheers snake, Dont suppose you know which model golf do you? guessing mk2 8v GTi or similar? Seems like youve been able to answer all my questions recently. If i ever make it to a GTG i will definately owe you a beer
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| Snake | Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:57 pm Post #4 |
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If i remember it was the GTi and i,ll hold you to that treble brandy was it.? :lol: :lol: |
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| BBSparky | Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:19 pm Post #5 |
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Cheers, treble brandy sounds fair
So when is the first ever IOM GTG
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| dave_irl | Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:28 pm Post #6 |
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I was looking for one of those intake boots in a scrappy today but no luck I think its any MK2 Golf with KE-Jetronic, the GTI's and even some Corrado's I've heard mentioned. I'm tempted to go to VW and get a new boot (can't be that pricy) and make up a kit with a filter and some tubing etc. Let us know how you get on, a part number would be great if you find the right bit, there are two sizes available I think so be sure of your measurements.
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| MTI | Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:12 pm Post #7 |
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I see that you fellas can't resist going down the "warm air intake" road, eh? |
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| Snake | Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:21 pm Post #8 |
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It depends on where you mount the filter.
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| MTI | Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:48 pm Post #9 |
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and where might that be? |
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| Snake | Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:05 pm Post #10 |
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Surely if you mounted a k&n type filter at the front where the air can be taken straight in with a heat resistant pipe to the intake it,s bound to let more cool air in or am i wrong. :unsure: |
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| seolio | Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:13 pm Post #11 |
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Talking about induction kits and filters, I fitted one to my car, not a 190, as i don't currently have one
and I didn't really notice a difference, I took it off to see what it was like to go back to the old filter, and hell I noticed a BIG difference, so it went straight back on!!!Definitely worth fitting one. You can redirect it and place it nearer the front, or just get a cold air feed hose, this definitely works, as it literally pours the cool air onto the filter, just do not get a metal cold air feed hose , as I had one once for the chrome look and it just gets hot, and warms the 'cool' air coming through it.Nick |
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| MTI | Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:55 pm Post #12 |
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Typically, the filter is placed in the spot just behind the headlights, near the opening where the original airscoop is located. In other words, it's inside the engine bay, relying on airflow from that vertical gap, to hit a rather small percentage of the filter's surface area. Result is a warm air intake. Claims of increased performance? Well a dynometer run report would be proof, but I have yet to see one for a W201 or W124. Consider the original system. An airscoop located forward of the engine bay, taking in air thru a tube, to the filter assembly sitting atop the air/fuel distributor. How might that be "improved?" Perhaps increasing the size of the scoop and tubing via grafting on the intake plumbing of a 260E? Pitty it doesn't look like those V-Tec Hondas, but for very little money, it gets the job done in a proper manner. |
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| hal9000 | Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:04 am Post #13 |
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As an alternative, and depending on what year 190 you have, you can route some pretty aluminum tubing to the right front corner of the engine bay and out that 3" hole in the inner fender (I know the hole is there for '86 up models, not sure about early models though) and mount an air cleaner in the dead space inside the fender. This will provide the "cold air" setup that you're looking for, and it will look like a honda intake as well! My little's brother's Mustang Cobra has this style kit installed. The only disadvantage on our cars is that you'll either have to at least partially remove the plastic inner fender liner to service the air cleaner; or you'll have to cut the hole out larger to let the air cleaner through, then make an access panel cover to seal the opening. |
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| MTI | Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:48 am Post #14 |
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I'm assuming your referencing a US model LHD car, so the right side would be the exhaust side of the engine bay? If so, that would be quite the distance to get air to the intake side. If the fender hole is on the intake side, are you describing the hole in which the A/C reciever drier sit in? Regardless . . . will it really provide a worthwhile alternative to what's already there or what can be easily done with existing pieces in MB parts bin? |
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| Matt | Tue Jul 4, 2006 10:30 am Post #15 |
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In response to the warm air debate, nonsense. The standard factory filter pan also gets hot from being sat directly on top of the hot engine. An induction kit does improve the response of the engine and with some imagination and tinkering can be made to take nice amounts of cold air.
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| Snake | Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:55 pm Post #16 |
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Matt,is that induction on a carb model or a 190e. :unsure: |
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| Matt | Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:59 pm Post #17 |
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Thats the kit on my injection engine, remember I took the carb engine out and replaced it with the injection. The kit is similar to the one I used to have on the carb. |
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| dave_irl | Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:08 pm Post #18 |
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I'd kill for one of those VW boot thingys! Is there a part number on it by any chance? Screw rooting around in scrappies, I'll just get a new one from VW Can't be too pricy..Any idea what the diameter of the filter end of the boot is? |
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| Snake | Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:06 pm Post #19 |
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The filters come with a couple of rubber inserts so they will fit a few different sizes of pipe Dave.
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| MTI | Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:59 pm Post #20 |
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Now think carefully before responding . . . are you saying that your rig doesn't get hot sitting under the bonnet, just like the OEM air cleaner? Is there some sort of cooling system built in or are all those bits just thermally resistant? :lol: At least with the OEM system or the upgraded 260E modification, you'll be drawing air from someplace other than the engine bay. |
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| Matt | Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:51 pm Post #21 |
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No im not saying that the current setup is not getting engine heat at all . I havent fully made up the pipework yet to take the filter out of the engine bay. And seeing as im going turbod soon I will wait till then to finish it.Basically I was saying my old induction kit install had the filter positioned directly so that cold air was being forced onto it. And the pipes were covered in heat reflecting material. And I can truely say that it improves the running of the engine drastically over the stock ancient pancake design air filter. :lol: |
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| Matt | Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:53 pm Post #22 |
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I shall PM you the part number sir Dave. And yes as snake said, the cone air filters will come with adaptor rings. |
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| MTI | Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:23 am Post #23 |
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Ever consider that a cone filter has the inherent design capablity to draw air from a 360 degree pattern, the majority of which is nowhere near an exterior air stream? Meanwhile the dimwitts in Stuttgart used and a silly plastic airscoop mounted forward of the radiator to direct vehicle speed air towards the filter. Even the kids at Affalterbach left the system in place (actually AMG used the larger scoop and tubing), with the addition of another hose to the opposite side of the grill. They obvioiusly knew nothing of performance. :lol: |
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| Matt | Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:42 am Post #24 |
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Really? Now I didnt know that. To which is why I used to use a heat sheild
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| dave_irl | Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:47 am Post #25 |
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Thanks Matt. MTI, would it not be better even if say the filter was mounted forward of the plastic shield by the radiator, i.e. just behind the grille? You could get one of those free flowing foam filters, might be a bit better than the cone ones, and then maybe wrap the tube (be it aluminium tubing or silicone etc) it heat reflective tape? Surely that would allow more air flow in than the stock setup? Thats what I plan on doing, as soon as I get the 90 degree VW boot thing
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| Matt | Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:48 am Post #26 |
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Yes the heat reflective tape does work dave
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| merc190uk | Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:54 pm Post #27 |
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but in winter times theses air induction alterartions are great :lol: MTI is right, i have the same setup as your self with the VW boot but it is drawing in hot air. alterations soon :ph43r: |
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| seolio | Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:43 pm Post #28 |
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After searching a while for this post, even though the induction kit gave me hardly anything extra I still think it tidies up the engine bay a bit and considering I already have an induction kit sitting on my shelf, I thought I may aswell use it, even just to tidy the bay up a bit. So Matt, could you possibly post the part number for the VW boot thingy? Cheers Mate Nick |
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| nathdaddy69 | Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:33 pm Post #29 |
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I have just been messing around with the giant pancake! and have now creating my own cold air feed, It sounds pretty cool and has got rid of those nasty mid-range flat spots to!! ive previously tried the standard cone type. But after i popped into my local shite halfords, i noticed a cheap ripspeed mushroom filter! So what ive done is used that aluminium tube from the front of my pancake, then the mushroom end of the filter through a hole i drilled into the plastic at the side of the radiator. Sounds like im sucking half of the worlds air from 2500 rpm! Sound fuckin awesome!! better response to!! |
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| kentronix | Sun Feb 25, 2007 7:11 pm Post #30 |
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can you post a pic ? Just to see what it looks like
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| JACK123 | Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:23 pm Post #31 |
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you can buy a full kit from the usa on ebay £80 comes with filter pipework cold feed the lot mines on its way |
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| seolio | Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:56 pm Post #32 |
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Link? |
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| JACK123 | Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:17 pm Post #33 |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...em=180087994205 check out the others he sells kit a kit b ive got a kit b |
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and I didn't really notice a difference, I took it off to see what it was like to go back to the old filter, and hell I noticed a BIG difference, so it went straight back on!!!

Really? Now I didnt know that.



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