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Stalling 190E
Topic Started: Thu Dec 7, 2006 4:14 pm (1,398 Views)
cool_friend00
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first of all hi, to every body
my 190E on 1993 has developed a problem
it stalls while driving
:( :( :(
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Neil
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WD-40 on the spark plugs is about as tech as i get with stuff like that, but
hopefully some kind soul will come along and save your ass soon.

they'll probably need more details though - does it start first time, every time?
when exactly does it stall - during acceleration or deceleration?
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Big Ben
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As much detail as you can give us please!!

Otherwise we will only be shooting in the dark!!
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thanks for reply

the total history


car use to take ages to start
then it had ECU changed
which cured it (for a while)
then new problem
lousey start (use to take ages to start but onec started no problem)
changed the fuel pump
after changing the fuel pump car worked for a week
and now new problem
cars either starts and stalls after ten fifteen mins
or car will take ages to start.
mechanic has changed the daisy cap and HT leads last week
problem is still there.


(after changing the fuel pump and leads cars little soul came back and had good responce fuel economey got little better)
it use to be 15 mpg now its doing around 22-22 mpg ( is it norm for 190,s)

now car is at the road
and i can't use it :((
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Big Ben
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There are three main components that seem to cause this sort of fault.

The cold start valve, the overvoltage protection relay, and the fuel pump relay.

There is also an engine temperature sensor that feeds info to the ECU that apparently can cause trouble.

If you have a friend with another 190 or access to one that is working ok try swapping the parts with yours!!

My guess (and thats all it can be from here) is that its the cold start valve not functioning properly.
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cool_friend00
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Thanks Ben


i forgot to tell you one thing
when car stalls, i used to leave bonnet open for about 5 mins and then cars starts normal and drives for a while say about 5-10 mins and the dies
and if i open the bonnet again it works same 5-10 mins
another thing to mention the battery is gettiing weak now (due so sevral attampet of starting :D)
hope this will help you helping me bring back my190 on the road.
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cool_friend00
Dec 7 2006, 05:43 PM
Thanks Ben


i forgot to tell you one thing
when car stalls, i used to leave bonnet open for about 5 mins and then cars starts normal and drives for a while say about 5-10 mins and the dies
and if i open the bonnet again it works same 5-10 mins
another thing to mention the battery is gettiing weak now (due so sevral attampet of starting :D)
hope this will help you helping me bring back my190 on the road.

That sounds like the fuel pump relay!!

Just cured the same fault on my sons 2.5 16!!

Find a working one and swap it to test. They are pretty expensive to buy!
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willydog
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have u tried changing the fuel filter as it might be blocked?
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cool_friend00
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car is recently services
changed the fuel pump (but not the relly)


all that started after car washed through a local garage (i dono what they've done :huh: )


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Neil
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did they steam-clean or jet-wash the engine bay?
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cool_friend00
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JET Wash

i don't know what they've done
but i m getting problems from the car :wacko: :wacko:
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Samnav2
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Next time it stalls remove the fuel filler cap and give it a try. Sometimes the hole that allows air to come into the tank gets blocked and as the fuel is used it creates a vacuum preventing the fuel from flowing to the engine.
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jimbadboat
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hi hope someone can advise me ran out of petrol since then car won,t tick over as soon as i take my foot off the accelerater it cuts any ideas
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Dec 8 2006, 02:49 PM
Next time it stalls remove the fuel filler cap and give it a try. Sometimes the hole that allows air to come into the tank gets blocked and as the fuel is used it creates a vacuum preventing the fuel from flowing to the engine.
Samnav2

As far as i know there is no hole in the fuel cap as the system is pressurised, or at least my 190 is!
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Samnav2
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Hi mb190e
You may well be correct but I experienced the exact symptoms with a Ford many years ago and that was the fuel cap. Its a simple check.
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cool_friend00
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i've tried cap thing, but i didn't work :(
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cool_friend00
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mate jimbadboat
it could be spark plugs, HT leads or daisy cap( check wires for any crack or tears )
to check that i would advise check the car at night (as sparks will show up in dark)

;)

hope this helps
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cool_friend00
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thanks for ur help guys
car just came back from garage culprit was fan clutch( i don't know what the heck is that) cose me 125 +vat +labour
my lovley lady is on the road now;)


once again for ur help guys
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190man
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How the hell would the fan clutch cause the engine to die!!

Anyone with me on this?
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cool_friend00
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i don't know

may be to save the engine from over heating ( i asume)
but
that's what mechanic said and did

from last three days car seems fine..



i'll keep u updated
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and now new problem
cars either starts and stalls after ten fifteen mins
or car will take ages to start.
mechanic has changed the daisy cap and HT leads last week
problem is still there.


Was the car overheating then? Was the temp gauge on the dash going into the red?

A faulty fan clutch can do two things:-

1. Viscous oil inside the clutch goes thin and fan doesnt turn fast enough causing overheat.

2. Fan clutch jams causing fan to spin at full engine speed and cause over cooling.

It will not cause cutting out only if your engine overheated so bad it temporarily heat-siezes
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Blonderabbit
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Hi Guy's,

Obviously as you probably all know by now these type of threads really interest me at the mo. I feel the garage has probably sorted something trivial and then charged you for something more serious to get some extra cash out of you. Even from my very blonde point of view and experience, I can see no way this fix is related to your original problem.

Regards Blonderabbit <_<

- ps I wish I knew what they did (mines not cutting out though)
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Exactly like Blondie sais, it sounds like they have had your trousers down a fecked you with no lube im afraid mate :angry:



Stu
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Dec 17 2006, 12:03 AM
Exactly like Blondie sais, it sounds like they have had your trousers down a fecked you with no lube im afraid mate :angry:



Stu

i feel the same mate
and it is hurting (my hard earned chash)

:( :( :(

car wasn't over heating at all
nice 80 degres 90 at most
but not in red at all
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cool_friend00
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adding insult to the injury
problem has come back
car does has started stalling again
oil pressure is fine
temp is fine (80 Degree)
:(:(:(
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Hi, hope this helps, trust me I know it will.

Get a copy of your local yellow pages, look for car diagnostic or rolling road specialist. It cost's bout £45. they hook it up to a computerised monitor similar to a heart monitor. It will give certain readings and from this information you will find your fault and then you will know what it is and how much its gonna cost.

Regards Blonderabbit :)
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Blonderabbit
Jan 14 2007, 12:46 AM
they hook it up to a computerised monitor similar to a heart monitor.

:lol: I love the way you put things Blonde ;) :D
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Blonderabbit
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Hi Guy's,

I ran this thread my local expert and he says his money is on the coil. He says that the coil will probably not be 100% effecient and when the engine is warm, the output on the coil drops as the load increases which leads to it cutting out and then delayed start afterwards as its output recovers.

Hope this helps, as I know how damn annoying this type of problem is.

I also feel that when everyone gives you their suggestions, it is very difficult to try all of the possible suggestions without incurring a huge cost. If you can get someone to check the effeciency of this component it would help - they are quite cheap only about £40 new so, I would be tempted to just replace it, if its not giving you max performance.

Regards Blonderabbit :)
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Hmmm, when my old 2 litre used to cut out all the time I suspected the coil, so I replaced it but unfortunately it didnt cure the problem :angry:
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Blonderabbit
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Hi Guy's

Matt darling, did you check it's effeciency first?

anyway no need to get your yfont's in a twist it was only a suggestion :P :P

Regards Blonderabbit B)
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I had same problem a while back and all it was was a hose had come off cold start valve in the depths of the engine at the back just put your hand down the back of engine undeneath slightly and you should feel a hose about an 1" thick going into the valve! Had me stumped for a while, exactly same symptoms!
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Blonderabbit
Jan 22 2007, 10:13 PM
Hi Guy's

Matt darling, did you check it's effeciency first?

anyway no need to get your yfont's in a twist it was only a suggestion :P :P

Regards Blonderabbit B)

Well the old coil was buggered but I replaced it with a brand new one but it had no affect. :(

:unsure: I wasnt getting my knickers in a twist.


I would still say it would more than likely be vacuum related like a perished pipe or similar as noisysprings said, as that can cause havoc with a 190's engine running.
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Hi Guy's,

Matt I have been thinking - you said
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Hmmm, when my old 2 litre used to cut out all the time I suspected the coil, so I replaced it but unfortunately it didnt cure the problem


SO, what did cure the problem then?

I would be very interested to know if you are online tonite :)

Regards Blonderabbit :D
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