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| Xado Engine Additive Experiment; Surprising results thus far! | |
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| Topic Started: Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:23 pm (3,947 Views) | |
| julian | Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:23 pm Post #1 |
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Trying a recommended engine additive Diary of trial I purchased a product called xado it’s an additive for the engine you put in your oil that’s supposed to improve many aspects of the engines mechanical performance. Now I wouldn’t normally purchase this sort of product. But someone I know said it was brilliant and stopped his Jag XJS losing oil and smoking. So I gave it a go £14.99 My 2.6 loses about a pint of oil a month, I do drive it quite hard and use kick-down frequently, so expect to lose oil as my old 2.0 did exactly the same. There’s also a tiny leak from the top of the timing chain casing, but that leak doesn’t really amount to much and certainly not a pint a month. I’m currently doing around 500 miles per month. 20 Nov 07 Xado comes in a small tube about an inch long and is a really thick blue substance. The manufactures recommend 2 applications of this product, but the site I purchased from says you need only one. I added it to engine this morning. I also got the oil level exactly right on the dipstick mark to gauge any future loss. Left work at 5pm completely forgetting that I added this product. Nearing home I was in the usual traffic jam in Bridport high street. This is when you start looking at all your dials and fiddling with switches LOL I immediately I noticed that my oil pressure gauge was on the 2 mark, something the car has never done in idle before. Generally at full temp idling in park or neutral the needle has always been half way between 1 and 2 and idling in drive drops to 1 and a quarter. I was quite surprised as the OP gauge is something I’m always glancing at and always known where the needle hovers when idling. So when I got home I decided to start this, which I will post in a month to see if it’s stopped my oil Loss. 27 Nov 07 Quick update Oil pressure gauge has now settled at just below the 2 mark when idling out of gear, a slight drop from day 1 but it’s stayed just below 2 for at least 5 days now. 04 Dec 07 2 weeks in I decided to check the oil today, and have lost some as usual, topped up to full level and took half a pint. So a bit disappointed as in another 2 weeks this will equate to a pint of which I’ve been losing regularly anyway. Op gauge has consistently stayed just below 2 mark though, so not really sure what’s going on. Seems my oil pressure is slightly up, but still losing oil. 19 Dec 07 Well well well! checked my oil level today, and astonishingly I have no recognisable loss of oil. I was completely stunned, as I have always noticeably lost oil even when checked on a weekly basis. When I topped up a couple of weeks ago with half a pint, I was a bit disappointed as the oil loss at that time was as usual so expected no improvement. On topping up then I made sure I didn’t over fill, even waiting half an hour to make sure all had drained to sump before getting the level spot on max. Today the car had been standing all day unused when I checked the level again and found it full. So I started the engine and ran for a few minutes then dipped again, and the level was still almost full, hardly a mm below Max. The only thing I can think of that’s different from when I started this is that the weather is a lot colder and I fixed my heater matrix, can’t see how these would effect the loss of oil though. Being a sceptic I’ll continue the experiment, but this is certainly not the norm with this car, maybe this stuff does what it says in the packet. Watch this space. |
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| roadwolf69 | Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:35 pm Post #2 |
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Yes well! didn't Wynns and STP promise the same results 20 years ago, many rattling engines have been cured by the addition of these wonder cures. It's only years later that it was discovered that they partially block the oil passages thus increasing oil pressure :ph43r: :ph43r: But if your happy carry on using it, there is no substitute for worn components except replacing them.
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| julian | Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:58 am Post #3 |
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Yeah the STP snake oil type of stuff is rubbish I agree, but this xado uses a different type of technology so it claims. It's not actually an oil additive, it just uses the oil system to do it's job. It's been around commercially for 11 years distributed world wide, and lots of poeple are saying good stuff about it. I tried it as it was personally recommended by a colleague, then did some research on the net, now with no loss of oil in the 2.6 being a first after using it. I'm wondering if there is something to this product. There's some interesting testimonials here. http://www.autobahnpower.com/products.asp?recnumber=451 http://www.netparts.co.uk/store/index.php?...er_of_uploads=0 And this is the main xado site. http://www.xado-us.com/ http://www.xado.co.uk/ |
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| cra_arc | Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:42 pm Post #4 |
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mmmn im sceptical but heh if it works what the hell http://z14.invisionfree.com/mercedes_190_c...?showtopic=7146 lots in there about this stuff i found this bit interestin I have been with Ford for 24 years in research and development for their power train division. I have forgotten more lube problems than 90% of so-called mechanics will ever know. I like the way some mechanics make statements like they're some sort of God without being able to back them up. All that mallarkey in some of the feedback above claiming 800,000 miles on a gas engine are laughable. There is so much that goes into producing engine oil that dumping "magic" additives into it is just criminal. The quality of most addatives is questionable at best. Whilst the names may be similar, the quality is not. Additives are blended at the proper rate, heat and in the proper proportions by the manufactures of their particular product. Crude supplies are not all the same quality and the additives have to be adjusted for the quality of the base stock being used by each particular company, per batch. Dumping your own personal stuff will more than likely be way inferior to what the oil manufacturer uses. The chemicals will normally differ from the manufacturers blend, and can cancel each other out to the point where there will be no anti-wear properties left in the product. (This is one reason it's not wise to mix oils from different manufacturers together). Changing the oil from say Mobil to Shell and then to Pennzoil will have a negative effect on your engine from conflicting chemicals. Buy an oil that you may like and STICK TO THAT COMPANY'S product. i stick to good old castrol gtx an thats it |
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| julian | Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:28 pm Post #5 |
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A lot of these additive systems have been able to continue selling due to what they call the placebo effect. People will automatically believe something works, especially if they,ve spent money on it. Bit like the placebo pills that cure you of ailments but just contain a harmless substance like sugar. That's why I'm monitoring it's effects, if it doesnt work then i've lost 15 quid. I'm still sceptical though, but now not losing oil like i used to needs explanation :lol: maybe I should apply the other 2 treatments they recommend :lol: The problem is with the slick 50 type additive stuff which has proven not to have the effects it claims and even caused damage, have drummed into people that all additives are crap or even harmfull. So when something new comes on to the market it's slated immediately without any investigation. What's interesting about this Xado is that it's been on the market world wide for 11 years, and in that time have not had negative things said about the product. In fact their website is claiming that the Ford motor company are currently testing their products, which i'm sure is true, or Ford would have been litigating by now :lol: Also I have hunted the net to find some negative feed back about it, and other than members of car forums slating the stuff out of hand, there doesn't seem to be any. Normally a crap product will have blogs about it somewhere, especially after 11 years on. There's also been some independant testing of it with favourable results, even posts on youtube from car owners are appearing with similar testimonials. The problem with products like these is that in reality engine manufacturers don't want to promote a product that extends the life of an engine as ultimately they would sell less engines. Much the same as oil companies buying up rights to other more efficient methods of propulsion. Also car manufacturers make massive profits from replacing worn parts, and selling their engine oils, so again not in their interests. What will be interesting though is if Ford do come up with some conclusions, I await in anticipation, and keep checking my oil I did find this interesting though, this company use metal/ceramic applied to race vehicle componants, this is the same stuff Xado claim to be using. However the main difference seems to be that metal/ceramic is applied to parts when they're new and prior to assembly by this company. Whereas Xado claims to coat worn engine parts using the oil as a delivery system, and friction + temperature to apply the metal/ceramic to worn parts. this is worth a read. http://www.poeton.co.uk/coatings-motorsport.htm |
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| Racing | Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:13 pm Post #6 |
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101% agreed. |
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| Big Ben | Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:25 pm Post #7 |
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Theres only one thing I like about this product and thats its name! Phonetically it should be pronounced SAD OHH! Perhaps it relates to what they think of their customers! :lol: |
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| algord83 | Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:59 pm Post #8 |
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From xado.co.uk " It turned out that conditions could be created when the affected part is able to restore its surface thickness and size to its initial dimensions" Sheered a tooth of reverse? No problem! use xado in your box and your cogs will spontaneously sprout a new one! :lol: :lol: Alan ... joking aside, I will be following your experiment with interest. This stuff really does sound too good to be true (and i'm inclined to belive it isn't true). However, if we all dismissed that which was new to us without giving it a chance we would never get anywhere would we? Alan |
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| julian | Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:55 pm Post #9 |
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Yeah there's many products that have been bamblasted without thought, even the mobile phone :lol: Checked the oil today still no change it's all in there :lol: although was only 2 days ago last checked :lol: Also there used to be an annoying noise from the engine previously, sounded like it was from around the water pump area, a kind of light grating/whistling noise, when I had problems with the heater system I always wondered if the water pump had a problem, the heater problem now solved. But noticed today that the noise from that area has now ceased :wacko: Another change with the car is starting in the mornings from cold. I have always had to turn the engine over 5 to 8 revoutions to get it started, it has never started immediately from cold. But in the last week it has started immediately with the turn of the key, ironically when the last week has been the coldest here for a year. Weather this is down to Xado or just coincidence is yet to be sussed. I'll be checking the fuel consumption again too. I regularily get betwenn 24 and 26 mpg, This additive is supposed to increase fuel consumption up to 18% in some cases they say. Now my last tank did average a high 26mpg again, but bearing in mind the amount of cold starts due to the recent chill, I was expecting it to be lower. Anyway still on 3/4 tank so it i'll be a couple of weeks before I can do the calculation on a full tank again. |
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| cra_arc | Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:01 am Post #10 |
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im interested to see how things even out long term on this great that u are writin up your results tbh as thats the only way to tell
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| shrekky | Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:51 am Post #11 |
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there are a few products on the market like this,another one being ZX1 which was mentioned last year,again it didnt promise any power gains,just that it helps lubrication .
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| julian | Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:14 pm Post #12 |
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Yeah i have tried to find out stuff about ZX1 but there's not much about the product and it's origins. Some other car forum members have tried it though and say it works. What put me off it a little was that the company had been in trouble with ITC Breach of ITC Code Rule 5.2.1 Basically they made claims about the product in advertising, and the ITC wanted proof of their claims. The company offered proof backed up by customer trials, and some smaller garage outlets, but no independant testing or scrutiny at the level required to satisify the ITC Xado has undergone numerous independant tests which are listed on their website somewhere, and I couldn't find any complaints or claims of malpractise anywhere against Xado, so that's basically why I chose that product over zx1 My brother's an aircraft engineer, and looking at how the product works and it's ceramic/metallic compound reminded him that the compound called cermet was used on high speed ball bearing sets to reduce the effects of friction when he was in the RAF Prooves nothing mind, other than cermet is used by the military. Weather it's exactly the same product is impossible to say. TBH If all this product achieves is the non loss of oil, It'll pay for it's application in 6 months. Chucking a pint of oil every 500 miles in your motor does add up :lol: If it does hold up, I'll try some in dads 2.0, this also loses a fair bit of oil, at the same rate as mine, and he drives very carefully, also has a sticky tappet on start up, wonder if it might solve that one |
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| shrekky | Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:20 pm Post #13 |
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well both me and my dad use ZX1 and i must say it does seem to make a difference.runs alot smoother and quieter
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| RobertE | Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:49 pm Post #14 |
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I think that there are additives which improve friction, which can only be a good idea; as to what it is they do to accomplish this is a different matter. I posted a while back about some stuff called ROIL which is introduced via the oil system (and is q. liquid, as opposed to a paste) and the effects on a Golf GTi valver were q. startling - higher tickover, better economy etc., but I'm still not sure about how it actually worked, except to say that it was not liquid teflon. |
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| julian | Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:21 pm Post #15 |
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I'm wondering if some of these newer additives are using a similar based technology. ZX1 does'nt seem to mention what is in their additive. Xado explain this a little better. There's an interesting independant test on the ROIL you mention here though. http://freespace.virgin.net/car.oil/cars_engine_testing.htm |
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| julian | Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:23 pm Post #16 |
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It also seems that the raw material ROIL use for their applications is a closely guarded secred, the suffered a short fall in supply some time ago. http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article0004...9.cfm?x=b11,0,w |
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| algord83 | Fri Jan 4, 2008 6:16 pm Post #17 |
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It Arrived!. I thought i'd give this stuff a go since its under 20 pounds. I thought 'Hey if it does what it says it will, brilliant, if it destroys my engine, then they owe me a new one'. So a diddy little 9ml tube arrived in the post today (see pic). It came with a polite little note which told me i should have bought 3, so they are offering me a 15% discount on another 2 tubes. How kind <_< Anyways, I'll squeeze it in tomorrow and see what it does (if anything). They say full treatment takes 3 tubes and 1000 miles and your not to change the oil in the meantime. Alan
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| julian | Fri Jan 4, 2008 6:36 pm Post #18 |
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You're right 3 treatments, the site I got mine from Netparts.co.uk though reckoned one treatment was enough, and the following 2 weren't really needed. There's some feedback on their site from some users too. www.netparts.co.uk |
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| algord83 | Fri Jan 4, 2008 7:21 pm Post #19 |
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The stuff in my tube is red?? Is the packet the same? Hows it looking in your experiment anyway? Alan |
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| julian | Fri Jan 4, 2008 7:42 pm Post #20 |
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Yeah Red, where Blue came from I don't know :lol: :lol: Due to the holiday period, I've hardly driven the car I've still got half a tank of fuel to get through before I can get any MPG result. However the car is running like a dream. I'm loathed to say it's running better than before I put xado in, but Lynn even say's the car is quieter especially when idling. I'm sure the car runs better, but I'm so sceptical, that i'm believing it could by that psychologically want it too :lol: Something strange is that the car now starts first turn of the key, where previously you had to turn it over several revolutions before it would start. Thing is, how could xado be responsible for this? maybe it just starts better in colder weather :unsure: I still have no real oil loss, although I've only done another 160 miles since I last checked. But the oil loss thing is a definite improvement. Ref the fuel economy it's supposed to help with, this particular tank full of fuel is not the typical usage as normal, as due to the holiday the car's been doing very short journeys, nipping to the town and supermarket, rather than doing a regular 20 miles per day in 2 trips to and from work, and also been very cold weather, so the result from this tank full will not be very conclusive. I'm very tempted to give the car a second dose though as I do belive overall there's been a noticable improvement. Also I still can't find any negative comments about the product either. Keep your eye on the op guage, and see if it rises after putting in xado after the first 10 miles driving. That was the first thing I noticed. |
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| 190neil | Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:12 pm Post #21 |
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Anything new to report? |
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| 190D 2.5 | Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:21 pm Post #22 |
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Yes, anything new? How's the oil pressure? |
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| julian | Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:05 am Post #23 |
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No change with mine, car's running really well, even in this awful weather, op level has stayed the same since it's first rise after the xado. , still haven't used a full tank of fuel yet. I'm on 220 miles and fuel guage is between quarter and half. Not good actually as usually get 200 mi at half tank reading, but it was expected with so many short runs. Car's still starting first time too, except this morning, but started on the 3rd or 4th revolutio, but what relation the improved starting has to to do with xado is a mystery. Haven't been on a long run since adding it, need an excuse to drive somewhere 50+ miles :lol: Sure algord will post soon
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| Michael | Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:19 am Post #24 |
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Julian, a 2.6 likes oil, as all performance engines do. Don't go down that road. Drain that stuff out of the engine and feed the engine with good oil,it needs it.
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| julian | Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:36 am Post #25 |
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The xado would have done it's stuff by now, if it does what it says on the tin. It's not an oil additive as such, just uses the oil to deliver it's alleged magic :lol: I'm due an oil change, but since using xado my oil level is currently just below the full mark. and I havent needed a top up of oil since adding xado nearly 2 months ago, normally I would be adding a second pint top up around now. I would say the current loss isn't even quarter of a pint, just 3mm below full mark a couple of days ago. If nothing else, it's saving me a pint of oil a month, over 12 months is a saving of £48.00 xado costs around £15 based on the oil I use at £20.00 for 5ltr so if the oil loss is kept that way I'm happy with that result
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| Michael | Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:51 am Post #26 |
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Julian, I'm by no means an expert, but I do have years of experience owning quick cars and believe me good engines like oil. If there's a leak in your engine, better to fix it, but beyond that, feed it with good oil, it'll be the life of that 2.6 silky smooth engine.
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| julian | Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:13 am Post #27 |
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Surely though losing a pint of oil every 5 to 600 miles isn't right, at that rate if you didn't check your oil you would be dry by the next due service. I expect any car to burn oil, but that seems excessive, although i'm no engineer :lol: |
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| Big Ben | Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:54 am Post #28 |
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I agree with Michael on this one! Both the 2,5 16s and the porsche that we own have expected oil loss figues. They are both maxed at 1litre for every 1000 kilometers. So a pint (450 ml) in 500 miles (805k) does not seem exessive at all! Any less than that could be down to a partially blocked oilway! |
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| julian | Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:47 pm Post #29 |
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That's really interesting, I was unaware of that. But would the car when new, have used this much oil, or is it a natural occuring loss due to engine wear over say 100k driving. I'll check my oil out later, and calculate my reduced loss, I have done about 1000km since adding xado. |
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| cossie connoisseur | Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:01 pm Post #30 |
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states in the manuals for the cars that oil loss is expected. |
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| Everton | Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:20 am Post #31 |
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I got my sportline MOT'd last week, went through a dream. The bloke who did it commented on how clean the car was and said it didnt even have the 'standard 190 oil leak' and the back of the engine. Don't know how true it is, but, my 1.8 has gone through a fair bit of oil since I bought it. I do 100 miles per day, foot to the floor whenever possible though. How mean does the engine sound when you hoof it when the fan has cut in??
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| Everton | Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:22 am Post #32 |
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* at the back of the engine, not and sorry |
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| Gnasha | Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:31 pm Post #33 |
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I have also used ZX1 with positive results, Auto G/B's change smoother and sound quieter.
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| MadMike | Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:07 pm Post #34 |
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I need to get my MOT done soon. Perhaps we could start a list of reasonable MOT stations. I dont mean crooked ones, but fair ones. I have been ripped off so many times in the past with people who fail you without good reason in the hope that you will let them do the work, which is not needed ! I live in London, any ideas ? |
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| algord83 | Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:43 pm Post #35 |
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Heres whats going on with mine, Xado added at 130k. I can't comment on oil usage. Ive done around 1700 miles in my 2.0 since i bought it and it has used no oil that i can see in that time. I'm sure it has used some, but its too little for me to notice on the stick. That has not altered from before i put the Xado in. Since putting the stuff in, i have noticed the engine starts noticeably quicker from cold. From 3-4 turns down to 1-2. Throttle position seems to make little difference. when up to temp the engine characteristics have changed. Power delivery seems smoothed out. The 'pull' seems to start sooner in the range and continue higher up to the red line. This gives the impression that the engine is more willing to rev. It also seems quieter at tick over. This was commented on by my brother who was unaware of my using the xado. At tick over i think the engine has less vibration. The needle is steadier at 700rpm and with the bonnet up and a hand on the air box it feels smoother. If i put a glass of water on the air box at tick over it doesn't fall off. I must admit i didn't try this before using the stuff so its meaningless really. I carried out a 40mph to 70mph in 4th gear test the day i put the stuff in and another yesterday after a couple of hundred miles. I admit my method of the speedo and a friend with a stop watch are not very accurate and i must consider wind conditions ect, but on the same stretch of road with the same friend we recorded a 0.5 second difference between the two. (faster second time). I'll leave it up to everyone else to judge the significance of me, my brother and my mates opinions and the accuracy of my testing before i jump around calling this stuff magic but i will say this: Even if the stuff hasn't done any good, so far it doesn't seem to have done any harm either, and the differences to my car that i perceive are worth 20 quid to me anyway, so i don't feel conned. I will keep everyone up to date with any further developments. I'm wondering weather to put another of their products into my diff as i can hear a very, very slight whine on the motorway (no-one else can hear it but i used to own a transit so i know what it is!). If cures that then i will be impressed! Alan |
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| julian | Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:13 pm Post #36 |
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That's interesting, as I felt the car ran quieter on tick over also, and felt it ran better, but as I'm that sceptical I was wary to make that claim :lol: I would certainly try it in the diff, I've read on another forum that xado has cured stuff like whining and g/box noises. Like you say for less than £20 it's worth a try before possibly having to remove g/boxes and dif's some Auto box problems have also been cured. A guy posting on the MG forum reckons he saved an engine on it's last legs using xado as a last resort before scrapping or rebuild, motor runs fine now aparrently. |
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| 190D 2.5 | Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:27 pm Post #37 |
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Have ordered some gel for my engine oil. Xado are currently offering 20 per cent off all sales. |
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| algord83 | Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:55 pm Post #38 |
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Hope it works for you. Its only cheap anyway but discounts are always apreciated arn't they?. Thing is though, since you change ur oil every 3k ('cos of your chip fat fuel?). Doesn't this mean that your oil will be largely free from the bits of metal that xado is said to re-apply to your friction surfaces? They actually supply an engine oil on there web-site that apparently has bits of metal allready in it ! i kid you not Alan |
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| 190D 2.5 | Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:35 pm Post #39 |
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Alan, I'm using the oil additive, not the fuel additive. I'm going to try it because I want to see if it makes any difference to the oil pressure, which dips to '1' at idle after sustained high cruising on the motorway. I'd like to lift it generally too. It always rises immediately to '3' when you increase the ideal speed, but I'm curious... My second name is Gullible too. Can't resist. |
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| algord83 | Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:52 pm Post #40 |
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I know you are using the oil additive. But you change your engine oil every 3k. I assume you do this to remove any crud build-up that may occur in your engine oil due to your use of vegetable oil as a fuel. The Xado engine additive uses the engine oil as a delivery system and combines with tiny metal fragments and particles that are already present in your engine oil(they came from your engine) to form a new compound (a cermet) which grows on the friction surfaces. Now since you change your oil quite often, there will be less metal (bits from your engine) in your oil, as you have removed it and disposed of it. Xado needs this to work. Thats why they offer oil with metal in it, and thats why i mentioned it. Xado lifted my oil pressure at tick over so i reckon (and hope) it may do the same for you too Keep me posted Alan |
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