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facelift-pre-facelift; whats what?
Topic Started: Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:10 pm (2,662 Views)
crs_b
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hi there all
i have a 1984 190e and i need a new front right wing, bumper, bumper mount, light etc

and i need pretty much a whole new exhaust system + some other little bits

ive found a donor car (£350) but i dont know whether to buy it or not because i dont know if it will fit my car

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1005904.htm

thats the donor car, looks all well and good but he says the engine is packing up, blue clouds of smoke coming out the exhaust???? and its wallowing over 60mph (i dont know what wallowing means).

so yea should i get it or not? atm im driving my old school h reg 1.3 polo saloon and its killing me!!!! need my 190 back!
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alfagtv
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I think the front wings are different on the 84-88 models. Don't count me on that though...

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alan
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hmmmm interesting
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the bumper shouldnt be a prob ive got post bumper on a pre facelift car and most people dont realise as well as the headlight thats been swaped out
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Mike wantza Merc
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Face lift....confuses the hell out of me. :rolleyes: Now I know mine is a 'facelift' 1991 model, but apart from the cladding what else changed?

Is there a thread anywhere showing the physical differences, in their entirity?

Ideally, I'd like to see a photo of each, pre & post, so I can see the changes...any chance?

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hmmmm interesting
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the only change to the outside as far as i know was the addition of the side panelings and change in bumpers everything else is the same i think at the same time the 1.8 came out but not sure but throughout the cars life the chassis and panels never changed apart from the valvers they have slightly different bits and the very early ones had a single windscreen washer

this could all be made up in alans world of course but i think its right lol
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I may stand be corrected but I'm pretty sure from what I have read in the past that the very earlier pre face list models such as the one you have from 1984 had a different bonnet and different front wings.

So if this is the case, not even any pre facelift would have front wings which you could use, you would need to find a very early pre facelift as a donor car.
Edited by chrismatheou, Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:04 pm.
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alan
Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:34 pm
the very early ones had a single windscreen washer
You are right there mate! Mine in fact have a single windscreen washer!
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CrysAk
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also a differnt rear seats from pre/post facelift, little more room in a facelift model.

wings, cladding, rear bumper, wing mirrors , electric window motors / switches
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CrysAk
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:12 pm
also a differnt rear seats from pre/post facelift, little more room in a facelift model.
In the pre-facelift model there are not any room at the rear!!! Good room in front, but farely small in the rear!

One of the disadvantages ive found in my car!
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matth190
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:34 pm
CrysAk
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:12 pm
also a differnt rear seats from pre/post facelift, little more room in a facelift model.
In the pre-facelift model there are not any room at the rear!!! Good room in front, but farely small in the rear!

One of the disadvantages ive found in my car!
lol i noticed that too in my 2.3 , but its ok cos i dont have any friends anyways :lol:
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CrysAk
Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:12 pm
also a differnt rear seats from pre/post facelift, little more room in a facelift model.

wings, cladding, rear bumper, wing mirrors , electric window motors / switches
The interiors got a make over with different seats with better adjustment and style too. And the latter cars have adjustable seat belt height in the front.

I think the differences between the wings, and doors for that matter, is that the holes for the cladding on the later cars are in the wrong place for the early rubbing strip, and visa versa.
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crap, so finding a new wing is gona be harder than i thought :/ need one desperatly, mine is single wiper, so its the pre pre facelift???? im so confused. also mine dosnt have side repeaters is this standard or do you think some one has smoothed it?

lesson learnt, dont buy a rare'ish car when your 18 and not in a full time job...AND DONT CRASH IT!!

only thing i can think of doing thats gona be easier is to buy almost a complete new front end???

still got my parents + the girlfirend + quite a few of my mates telling me to scrap it!! i just tell them to shut it :)
Edited by crs_b, Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:18 am.
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crs_b
Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:09 am
crap, so finding a new wing is gona be harder than i thought :/ need one desperatly, mine is single wiper, so its the pre pre facelift???? im so confused. also mine dosnt have side repeaters is this standard or do you think some one has smoothed it?

lesson learnt, dont buy a rare'ish car when your 18 and not in a full time job...AND DONT CRASH IT!!

only thing i can think of doing thats gona be easier is to buy almost a complete new front end???

still got my parents + the girlfirend + quite a few of my mates telling me to scrap it!! i just tell them to shut it :)
They all have a single wiper. The very early ones didn't have the panoramic system and just had a wiper that only swept in a semi circular movement. Also the very early ones lie yours, didn't have the side repeaters fitted. When i bought some new front wings from the dealers for my pre face lift 2.6, i only found out that they didn't have the holes cut for the repeaters until after i got them back from the body shop :o :lol: i just fitted them anyway and love the look of the car without any side repeaters B)

You can still use the wings from a post face lift car, you will probably just have to fill the holes from the sacco boards etc etc.
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I think they are talking about the squirters. Later cars have 2 squirters each firing two streams. Early ones have a single central squirter. It means the bonnets have holes in different place.

There is a thread with all the differences somewhere.
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Mike wantza Merc
Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:57 pm
B)

Face lift....confuses the hell out of me. :rolleyes: Now I know mine is a 'facelift' 1991 model, but apart from the cladding what else changed?

Is there a thread anywhere showing the physical differences, in their entirity?

Ideally, I'd like to see a photo of each, pre & post, so I can see the changes...any chance?



+1.

Come on you anoraks, cough up foto's of all comparason changes ...pre & post.


Jeremy :evo2: :driver:
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We have one of each plus the South African Import. I will try and sort something out later in the week
Edited by aemt, Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:52 am.
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you can get away with fitting any wing m8, just cut the holes yourself :)

i have 2 freshly painted wings if your interested, painted in 199 blue/black / black pearl
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crs_b
Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:09 am
crap, so finding a new wing is gona be harder than i thought :/ need one desperatly, mine is single wiper, so its the pre pre facelift???? im so confused. also mine dosnt have side repeaters is this standard or do you think some one has smoothed it?

lesson learnt, dont buy a rare'ish car when your 18 and not in a full time job...AND DONT CRASH IT!!

only thing i can think of doing thats gona be easier is to buy almost a complete new front end???

still got my parents + the girlfirend + quite a few of my mates telling me to scrap it!! i just tell them to shut it :)
Dont worry mate :)

18 without a full time job and have a 1985 190 with a single washer etc..

The diff, yet didnt crash it :lol:


And please..dont crash it!!! You'll find one, go and have a nice day in a junk yard mate! ;)
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