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| Tweet Topic Started: Thu May 7, 2009 4:04 pm (5,281 Views) | |
| Neil | Thu May 7, 2009 4:04 pm Post #1 |
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I need to replace the Exhaust Bracket that comes sideways off the Gearbox and supports the twin pipes near the Lambda sensor. It's rattling at low revs, and my mechanic just called to confirm my suspicion. I have a couple of Part Numbers for what I *think* is needed, but wondered if one of you wonderful tech-heads could post up the relevant diagram from the Russian site so I know what to order from Inchcape. The car is a 1993 190E 1.8 Automatic. A2014900037 (Repair Kit) A2014923741 (Bracket) Please and Thank You in advance
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| mindingthepotole | Thu May 7, 2009 4:13 pm Post #2 |
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Go on... buy a rusty one. lol
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can you not just change the rubber mounted bolts that hold it to the gearbox???? or if it rattling at the exhaust end put a new "B" clamp on??? |
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| Neil | Thu May 7, 2009 4:17 pm Post #3 |
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The Bracket itself is corroded, and part of it was broken off on a lay-flat bollard in a car park a little while ago. Tbh I want it sorted good as new, so 35 quid on parts is money well spent imo. I just need to know I'm getting the right kit.
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| viffer | Thu May 7, 2009 4:52 pm Post #4 |
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By some coincidence I was changing the gearbox oil yesterday and I noticed that the bracket you are refering to is corroded on mine as well causing an exhaust rattle at low revs. I don't think you need the complete kit only the bracket and the clamp, looking on the russian site the bracket with the kit is different to one listed on it's own but the clamp looks the same on both. The bracket forms a cradle for the two pipes but in the kit it seems flat. If the bracket is £13 the clamp should only be a few pounds on top, certainly a lot cheaper than the kit. HTH Edited by viffer, Fri May 8, 2009 12:17 pm.
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| 190ian | Thu May 7, 2009 4:56 pm Post #5 |
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| Neil | Thu May 7, 2009 4:56 pm Post #6 |
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Thanks Viffer - Just tried the Russian site and it seemed broken. Do you have a direct link to the diagram? Cheers |
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| viffer | Thu May 7, 2009 5:14 pm Post #7 |
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http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb1.asp?TP=1&F=201018%5F14R&M=102%2E910%2C919&GM=716217&VIN=%2A&CT=F&cat=14R&SID=49&SGR=015&SGN=01 I think this is the irl try it |
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| dave_irl | Thu May 7, 2009 5:28 pm Post #8 |
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I bought one of these new brackets during the transmission swap but I decided not to use it as it was only hitting things on the ground as the car is so low, you could see the old one was well scraped! It wasn't actually supporting my exhaust anyway - so now I have a few mm extra precious ground clearance ![]() the part I have 2014925241 for a Getrag so probably no use to you.. |
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| Neil | Thu May 7, 2009 6:52 pm Post #9 |
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Well, there's nothing like cycling 15 miles at the drop of a hat to go to your 'local' Dealership! In my case, it was Colindale, and they had it all in stock. I checked P/Ns on the phone beforehand, against my chassis number. The Repair Kit - Part Number A2014900037 - £21.70 +VAT ![]() The Bracket - Part Number A2014923741 - £12.20 +VAT ![]() The contents of the Repair Kit are laid out around the Bracket in the above pic, so it gives you a vague idea what goes where. It seems that the kit ensures you replace absolutely every part of that mounting so it should stay quiet for years to come. Total expenditure including VAT - £38.99. |
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| Neil | Fri May 8, 2009 11:43 am Post #10 |
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Well, the new one is on and the car is MUCH quieter! Money well spent, especially when you see what became of the last one - the 'B' clamp must have rusted/snapped off a long while back.
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| viffer | Fri May 8, 2009 12:16 pm Post #11 |
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Just been down to the dealeship and bought the bracket and the clamp for £16.33 so a good result. The bracket p/n is A2014923741 and the clamp is A2014920127, mine was in a similar condition ie rusted and the clamp was missing, so should also be quieter at low speeds. A good result all round it seems. Cheers, |
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| Neil | Fri May 8, 2009 12:24 pm Post #12 |
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Nice one Viffer! Tbh I did think the Repair Kit was p!ss-takingly expensive, and told them as much. Perhaps the Hardware game is where it's at
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| viffer | Fri May 8, 2009 4:10 pm Post #13 |
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Just fitted mine Neil and you're right. A few grommets, some bolts add up to expensive hardware! Had to drill an extra hole for the gearbox end bracket as the exhaust was hanging slightly off but it's nice and tight now and no rattle! Cheers, |
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| Benzsc1 | Fri May 8, 2009 4:58 pm Post #14 |
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Its such and easy part to replace but so often overlooked I can'y remember how many 190's I have worked on where the bracket is missing bent corroded or has bolts missing etc. It does make the difference and supports the exhuast that would otherwise crack under stress eventually! Job well done I reckon;) |
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| vindaloo | Mon May 11, 2009 9:20 pm Post #15 |
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Thanks for the info guys, just noticed mine was corroded as well |
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| Buggs | Tue May 12, 2009 3:23 am Post #16 |
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I had my bracket removed by a garage and they forgot to put it back on. i didn't realise until months down the line. At £16 i think i'll get a new one ;o). thank you for the part No. |
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| pentoman | Tue May 12, 2009 3:03 pm Post #17 |
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Curiously, my 2.5-16 only has a single loop clamp going round one of the pipes. It doesn't look broken, just as if it came like that. Is that normal? It's always had an annoying 'zingy' rattle sound to it with the window open but I figured it was normal, or not enough to worry about! Looking up a pic here, it looks like just one loop clamp is normal?? (part 71) ![]() And here's under my car: ![]() sorry it's the best pic I could do |
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| Neil | Tue May 12, 2009 3:08 pm Post #18 |
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Possibly just been repaired like that by an independent exhaust place in the past? If you want to have it as MB intended, you could buy the Clamp (p/n A2014920127) as mentioned by Viffer. Not sure if it'll cure it, but hey! |
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| viffer | Tue May 12, 2009 6:04 pm Post #19 |
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Hey Neil, Looks like this thread is running! All over the country 190 owners are on their knees looking under their drivers door and Mercedes are noticing an upsurge of sales of exhaust brackets. Somebody, somewhere must be wondering what's going on!! |
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| pentoman | Tue May 12, 2009 6:30 pm Post #20 |
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Is that p/n right for a 2.5-16 though? |
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| RM Merc 190 | Tue May 12, 2009 11:27 pm Post #21 |
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Another thing on the list to check when I'm back, thanks Neil
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| newowner | Fri May 15, 2009 10:03 pm Post #22 |
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I am having similar problems with this bracket. Just failed my MOT for incomplete exhaust system and was told that it was due to this bracket. As you can see for the pics it is still there but not supporting anything. It doesnt seem to be vibrating or causing noise which is a positive that the system is solid but extra support can only help the longevity. What do i need to get? It is a 2.5-16v http://img29.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=p5150418.gif |
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| newowner | Sat May 16, 2009 10:37 am Post #23 |
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any help on this guys i was hoping to go to MB this morning before it closes to get the bits i need. |
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| alan | Sat May 16, 2009 10:45 am Post #24 |
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could you not just take it off hit it with a hammer a few times and bend it back up but other than that you might just need the u shaped brakect which you could get from a good auto parts store cheaper than merc try and measure the pipe so you know a rough size you need |
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| cossie connoisseur | Sat May 16, 2009 10:48 am Post #25 |
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there can be only one ;-)
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go to mb with the vin number and they will sort you out the bits they need |
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| newowner | Sat May 16, 2009 11:08 am Post #26 |
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alan, you right that was what i was thinking but i want to make sure it is done properly as i want to pass the MOT retest. I dont quite get all that is talked about in this thread with this bracket. is all it is is a bracket with u-shape supports to secure it?? cossie. That is what i am doing but i know i will have the same problem as i always have. Apparently my VIN and number plate relates to an import model, which it isnt and it tends to suggest weird parts and part no. that they never have in stock and dont fit the cars. I know it is a bit dodgy but could someone do me a massive favour and PM me a 2.5-16v vin to use or a number plate. I wont be ripping it off i just need something to save me the pain of going back and forth in a 40 mile round trip to my local MB! |
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| viffer | Sat May 16, 2009 11:15 am Post #27 |
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The clamp is only a couple of quid, the bracket certainly looks the same. Hardly worth hitting it with anything and then measuring and then going to find something that fits, go to the dealers. |
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| cossie connoisseur | Sat May 16, 2009 11:21 am Post #28 |
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there can be only one ;-)
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w2010352f should be enough for them to sorce one |
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| newowner | Fri May 22, 2009 8:31 am Post #29 |
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got the part listed from the russian site for the 2.5-16v and it was the normal U-shape clamp. When i went to fit it last night the bracket and the position it was in where the exhaust is still 2 separate pipes would suggest i need a B-shape clamp. Looking on the diagram for 2.3-16v this is a B-shape. Do any of you 2.5-16v owners know if you have a U or a B holding your exhaust steady?? I noticed my W124 had a B clamp so I tried to fit that on my 2.5-16v but it was far too small so i am worried that if i get a 2.3-16v B clamp that might not also fit. Are the part no.s wrong/something to do with cat and no-cat/aftermarket exhaust or something more fishy going on? |
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| Will | Fri May 22, 2009 10:26 am Post #30 |
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Hi guys, For the 2.5-16 with twin down pipes you need a double-U shaped clamp. For some reason on the EPC it's very tricky to locate the correct part, every 2.5-16 VIN and the generic WDB201035 model code will bring up that part diagram with the single-U shaped clamp. I have just replaced the gearbox support bracket and all of the fittings (the new mounting bushes, nuts/washers etc. If anyone needs the part number for the correct 2.5-16 clamp with the double-U shape, let me know. It is a different part number to the 2.3-16 twin pipe setup as the 2.5-16 uses a larger diameter bore (I've compared both parts in person ;)) Pentoman - Is your exhaust a twin-pipe setup with a single-U shaped hoop then? If you have the double-U shaped support bracket, the single-U shaped clamp won't fit either, so it could be a custom made part? Will Edited by Will, Fri May 22, 2009 10:31 am.
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| newowner | Fri May 22, 2009 10:57 am Post #31 |
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please will if you could get me the part number for the double U shape clamp for the 2.5-16v that would be much appreciated. |
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| Will | Fri May 22, 2009 11:18 am Post #32 |
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It was quite a mission to find it, I'll try and post it up later on or over the weekend. If you order either of those part numbers on the EPC or the repair kit you will get the single-U shaped clamp! Will |
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| pentoman | Fri May 22, 2009 11:48 am Post #33 |
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He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. Finally someone who knows! Felt sure that what I was seeing must be wrong. Would appreciate it if you found the correct number...... Yep I have a twin pipe setup, double U support but only a single loop on it, which doesn't look to fit right either. Guess the clamp went missing and someone went with a random single loop on it (can't say I blame them, look at the trouble we're having!!). |
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| Will | Fri May 22, 2009 12:27 pm Post #34 |
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Well I'll try and dig it out as soon as I'm back home. If I forget later on, nudge me over the weekend and I'll sort it. Will |
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| newowner | Fri May 22, 2009 12:57 pm Post #35 |
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would this fit or does it help you pull up the MB part no? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=220416533327 |
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| pentoman | Fri May 22, 2009 1:21 pm Post #36 |
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I might buy that.... my 2.0 needs the 3 rubber hangers replacing, and my the double-U joint will hopefully fit my 2.5-16? Unless you had your eyes on it "newowner"? If it's a w201 item and it's got a double exhaust loop I guess it could be 2.3-16 as well couldn't it? Which according to Will won't fit. |
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| newowner | Fri May 22, 2009 1:47 pm Post #37 |
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yeah you go for it. I have been watching it for a while and it is the second time it has appeared so there may be more than one. i need one a bit quicker for MOT and one that will definitely fit so i think i will get one from MB once i get the part no. |
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| Will | Fri May 22, 2009 5:44 pm Post #38 |
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Hmm - I wouldn't bother with the eBay kit (unless you really need those bits for the other one?), get the correct MB 2.5-16 parts from your friendly local dealer. Okay - the correct part number for the double-U shaped clamp for a 2.5-16 with the twin downpipes is A201 492 02 27 Priced at £1.80 inclusive of 10% discount I don't think a regular double-U clamp would fit as the bore on the 2.5-16 pipes is noticably larger than even the 2.3-16 system, the clamp from a 2.3-16 is about a 1/4" shorter on the threaded part so if that eBay one is for a regular M102 I suspect it would be no good.The exhaust rubbers from MB are also literally pennies - the rear hangers/mounts are 61p each! (A107 491 00 82) Hope this helps you guys ![]() Will |
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| newowner | Fri May 22, 2009 9:51 pm Post #39 |
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legend! |
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| pentoman | Sat May 23, 2009 4:45 pm Post #40 |
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Cheers, parts man |
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I don't think a regular double-U clamp would fit as the bore on the 2.5-16 pipes is noticably larger than even the 2.3-16 system, the clamp from a 2.3-16 is about a 1/4" shorter on the threaded part so if that eBay one is for a regular M102 I suspect it would be no good.
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