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Engine Upgrades...........; Just Wondering.....?
Topic Started: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:36 am (2,018 Views)
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I know that when we want an upgrade in power ,
it's relatavely easy for us to find an engine from somewhere in the M-B range
that will fit right into our cars , that keeps it M-B original......

But ,

I was reading a blog on Jack Griffith's site
( He of the TVR Griffith ) and I couldn't help wondering
if the engine from the TVR Speed Six 3.6L might fit my 3.6
190 ? nice engine, looks fab ..360bhp .

Hmmmm..?

As its a TVR unit , it will be v compact ..sound great too .

If you could put any 4 or 6 cylinder into your car ,
which has the similar cc's as your unit , but not from M-B ,
what would you choose ?


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One of the LS* range of V8's.

Cheapish in a crate and a vast array of tuning potential.

Personally I would not fit a made of cheese TVR straight six in anything, and if I owned a TVR, a LS* V8 would be swapped in rapidly.
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My photobucket is down at present, but the logical (if costly) alternative is a 1950's four banger 2.5 litre racing engine - Ferrari, BRM, Vanwall, Coventry Climax.

For myself, a well-sorted Evo engine would be as quick as I'd like to go...
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I know the TVR early 6cyl gave problems so one would have to be careful, regardless I reckon all of them get the well used. Interesting idea.

If I was planning a on fitting a modern six I'd short list the Merc 3.2/3.5 V6 (with after market EFI) if pratical. But an old M103/104 moved back a few inches might be far more practical at the end of the day.

I suppose if I'd no hang up's about using non Merc engines, the Alfa V6 would seem like a nice option but just ain't right imo.
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jeremy
Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:36 am

if the engine from the TVR Speed Six 3.6L might fit my 3.6
190 ? nice engine, looks fab ..360bhp .

Hmmmm..?

As its a TVR unit , it will be v compact ..sound great too .

If you could put any 4 or 6 cylinder into your car ,
which has the similar cc's as your unit , but not from M-B ,
what would you choose ?


Jeremy :evo2: :driver:
hi

nice looking engine but seems like a lot of hassle imo, the inlet and outlet manifolds are on the wrong side compared to the Mercedes units. There are other straight six alternatives that already have the manifolds in the right places and not much bigger in size.

very tasty!! go on check out the figures..you know you want to

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A nice wankel rotary would be my favourite, but I reckon you'd fit a supercharged VW VR6 in no problem. A boxer engine would lower the CofG but fitting would be tricky due to width.
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I like inline sixes, so maybe a turbo Skyline engine? Easy parts availability. You could use the gearbox as well...

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I certainly wouldn't go anywhere near the TVR speed six engine. A guy who travels to Le Mans with us has a tamora speed six with only around 16,000 miles on the clock. The last service cost him over £1400 because the timing chain had become stretched causing some damage, i cant remember exactly what but i think water pump and some other bits and bobs, not good. Its always in for things to be put right on the engine.

Off topic but the build quality of the car is truly shocking :lol: The seats and dash look like they have been stitched by a four year old using wool instead of cotton thread. Bits keep falling off inside and the roof leaks like an old dilapidated church roof lmao

Crap cars.
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Um...thats why a tvr is a true enthusiasts car :)
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Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:05 am
I certainly wouldn't go anywhere near the TVR speed six engine. A guy who travels to Le Mans with us has a tamora speed six with only around 16,000 miles on the clock. The last service cost him over £1400 because the timing chain had become stretched causing some damage, i cant remember exactly what but i think water pump and some other bits and bobs, not good. Its always in for things to be put right on the engine.

Off topic but the build quality of the car is truly shocking :lol: The seats and dash look like they have been stitched by a four year old using wool instead of cotton thread. Bits keep falling off inside and the roof leaks like an old dilapidated church roof lmao

Crap cars.
morning all

"crap cars"

he he!! and there was me being all diplomatic with "nice looking engine but a lot of manifold hassle" lol

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And now back to the thread ..............

What engine would you use as a proper alternative ?

The Jaguar suggestion was excellent .

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A very good engine, which is highly tuneable, is the 2.5 litre Daimler V8 designed by the great Edward Turner (Triumph motorcycles). It is compact, light, and can be induced to produce 250 bhp. Jaguar (madly) scrapped it when they took over the company. It was fitted to the badge-engineered Jaguar/Daimler Mark 2 as well as the SP250 (Dart). It is brilliant. I had a go in a really hot SP 250 a few years ago to which a mad bugger in Sussex had fitted mechanical fuel injection. Blimey. As it's a Daimler, it might be appropriate. Turner also designed a bigger (4.5 litre?) version which they stuck in their large saloon, the Majestic Major. Now that, gents, is a serious car...
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Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:09 am

What engine would you use as a proper alternative ?

Hi

these would be my alternative engines with correct manifolds position

straight six would be the jag

4 pot

vw/audi 1.8turbo and affordable 300bhp figures


1st choice would be this (not cheap but the rewards would be huge)

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Mazza, I really like Honda engines (all of them) but the S2000 has 'only' got, is it 240bhp? Would the hassel be worth the extra performance and cost?
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Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:35 am
Mazza, I really like Honda engines (all of them) but the S2000 has 'only' got, is it 240bhp? Would the hassel be worth the extra performance and cost?
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yep! thats what I thought too mate! till I was taken for a drive in one in Portugal, in terms of reving that honda engine is a master piece.
We did a run at around 3am and from a stock engine the car hit 285kmh and didnt miss a beat, bloody impressive. The torque figures are not that impressive but the engine just goes and goes.

this engine with forced induction is hitting 400bhp+ with very controlable torque figures.

If I was creating a serious straightline cruiser I would go with a straight six..but for a track car weapon, then this would be my choice.

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Mazza, see where your coming from.
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if i ever went to the expense of a non mb swap it would have to be a 1jzgte. (toyota 2.5 twin turbo) amazing engine. my jzx90 mk II was as big and luxurious as an s class but quicker than an r32 gtr skyline and more responsive than my ae86!
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cookwibble
Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:45 pm
if i ever went to the expense of a non mb swap it would have to be a 1jzgte. (toyota 2.5 twin turbo) amazing engine. my jzx90 mk II was as big and luxurious as an s class but quicker than an r32 gtr skyline and more responsive than my ae86!


I don't know that particular engine, no doubt it's a good one. I do know the 3.0ltr turbo version from the early 90's bar the odd head gasket blowing I reckon it was first class.
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Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 pm
cookwibble
Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:45 pm
if i ever went to the expense of a non mb swap it would have to be a 1jzgte. (toyota 2.5 twin turbo) amazing engine. my jzx90 mk II was as big and luxurious as an s class but quicker than an r32 gtr skyline and more responsive than my ae86!


I don't know that particular engine, no doubt it's a good one. I do know the 3.0ltr turbo version from the early 90's bar the odd head gasket blowing I reckon it was first class.
1jzgte is the 2.5 version of the mk4 supras 3ltr, i think the one you are on about is the 7mgte which has head problems.


1jzgte is metal headgasket and forged bottom end standard!
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On the other hand, I think an Aston Martin V8 would go in. All alloy quad cam and very light. Hmmm...
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Anyone for 1001bhp?
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Now that would be a tight fit, as the actresss said to the bishop...
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i know that a toyota supra engine and gearbox fits in easily into a w124, so i cant see why it should not go into w201. there is a video on youtube somewhere .
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chevy 350 v8 for me as easily tuneable and cheap for parts
i mean 8 pistons for less than £100 delivered!!
and that's complete with rings etc!!
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range rover 4.6 litre all alloy v8 220 bhp standard very light weight easy for parts and tuning
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But a decent valver engine puts out 200 bhp anyway. EFi!
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A 55 amg engine with a kleeman stage 2 550bhp
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id prefer a proper 3.2 amg engine in mine, over the 16v any day, not much chance though
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Dont laugh too much, a turbocharged blueprinted zetec lump would make around 400bhp
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chevy 350 v8 for me as easily tuneable and cheap for parts
i mean 8 pistons for less than £100 delivered!!
and that's complete with rings etc!!
Sorry Big Al , has to be the same configuration .

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A M102 2.3 8v engine from a low mileage W124 with Bike carbs.

Bolt straight in (assuming you've a manual car? no point with an Auto!)

Awesome torque, and a lot more revvy. Keep it simple. ;)

Edit; Sorry, just re-read the whole point of the tread. lol

In that case, and i do not understand why nobody has done it yet.......

Volvo high pressure turbo 2.5-20v 5 cyl.

The 2.0ltr 20v in my Volvo is a stonking engine, turn it longitundinal, plenty of tuning mods available and relativly cheap parts. Modified turbos regularly make over 400hp.

That would be my next swap if i didn'w want a 16v screamer so much. ;)
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^Let me guess, straight swap for three mint S14s :lol:
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2jz supra engine would be fun.
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chevy 350 v8 for me as easily tuneable and cheap for parts
i mean 8 pistons for less than £100 delivered!!
and that's complete with rings etc!!
Sorry Big Al , has to be the same configuration .

Jeremy :evo2: :driver:
ok what about this 6 cylinder in line engine with 480 bhp :lol: :lol:
6 cylinder 13 litre
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F20C in the S2000 has a forged bottom end as standard, turbo or supercharger kit on an untouched engine will see 400whp and 9,000rpm.

But then if I was gonna do that, I'd just buy an S2000 anyway. Besides, you can't beat N/A throttle response and linear power.

If money was no object and it had to be a longitudinal 4-cylinder, a fully built F22C would see 280bhp :)
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