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| blankcanvas | Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:55 pm Post #1 |
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Project 190e 3.0 Cars being used Mercedes 190e 1.8 manual 1991 (this is the car being modified to 3.0) Donor Mercedes 190e 2.6 auto 1988 not sportline unfortunately Donor Mercedes 300e 12v auto 1991 Suspension mods, Hi Folks have gone through a lot if threads on suspension mods so this was what i pulled out of them but still a few questions. bit of advice on which route to go mainly suspension wise from a total starting point. I want to do it right and do it once and with a reasonable cost. Having had a look under the 1.8 needless to say alot of bushes etc need to be replaced but body wise very good. It’s due for its test so money needs to be spent. But where to spend it is the question Brakes wise I was going to go, standard calipers / discs on the back with green stuff pads,Up front 2.6 discs (slotted and drilled front) with 300e calipers and 2.6 master cylinder. Suspension is my real query,So before I begin to spend money on existing set up, i need some advice on which route to go provide better handling to cope with extra power and keep within a reasonable budget plus take the extra weight of the M103 engine up front. Ideally I want to keep it fairly simple so that I can handle it myself. (Reasonable knowledge) Do i go down the route of replacing all existing bushes and parts needed on the standard suspension and get (no lower than) 40mm lower springs and either konis or bilstein adjustable, (or the H&R package i have read about) Or do i look for donor 2.6 sportline suspension providing the 21-22mm drop. (by the way was it the same as 2.0 sportlines?) plus were the main steel suspension parts the same between sportline and standard? the only mod being the bush quality/stiffness? Id like the car to sit slightly lower but not a ground pounder, i want some degree of comfort, im going no bigger than amg 15’s (at a real push 16’s) Another one is what would you recommend anti roll bar wise. Any product recommendations ,links or routes to go would be really appreciated. Thanks Dan p.s is the 16v steering box a direct swap on a 1.8? |
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| Johnboy Mac | Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:06 pm Post #2 |
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I can't advise on the suspension set on your particular car but many here will be able to do so. What I would say is save yourself a few bob and don't bother with the drilled front discs. Also consider 8Jx16 alloys with 225/45 tyres, |
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| blankcanvas | Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:41 pm Post #3 |
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Hi Johnboy, was lucky on the 2.6 disc front, daveirl supplied me discs at the right money. have 8x16 lorinsers that i might use ,had them as a spare set for my w123 coupe,now with 5.6v8 engine (560sec donor) ,running gear etc.,.should have back from uk in 4 weeks. so have a set of amg 15 monoblocks on the way for 190e to ensure some extra cushioning after suspension mods |
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| bolide | Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:53 pm Post #4 |
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I'd take a complete 2.6 Sportline setup if you can find one. Rebush as needed and drop the whole subframes in in one go Nick Froome |
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| shrekky | Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:58 pm Post #5 |
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brake wise just stick with the standard 2.6 discs/calipers unless you using it as a track car suspension wise,you can go with the standard 2.6 shocks with 40mm lowering springs............and i would replace all the bushes and suspension arms if i was you. the 2.0 sportline isnt the same as a 2.6 ,different rated springs...................some of the sportline differences were a 12-15mm drop on the standard set up,quicker turning steering box |
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| sportline_stu | Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:23 pm Post #6 |
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I would say...... Go sportline and not generic - that way you can get the correct gague of spring depending on the options list (ie the weight!) on your car for the correct drop/stance. I have the 3 litre conversion planned as well. My plan is sportline springs and sportline bilstein shocks, with uprated bushes (whatever I can get these days) new from MB) and uprated ARB's. The 2.6 brakes are very good anyway even with original spec dealer parts. As for the ARB's, then take advice on this - for example some fit some 190's and some don't. Im sure I read on here somewhere about a 500E front ARB not fittting 16v models but fitting the 2.6 due to the radiator fitment. It sounds like a great project and I am a little envious you are well ahead of me! Stu. |
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| bolide | Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:45 pm Post #7 |
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AFAIK the 500E ARB has a different shape to the 300/320 bar as the 500 is a V8 and the sump shape is different Also AFAIK the 320 Cabrio front bar is the stiffest available though there is one for a 6-seater 300 limo as well If you want brakes, W124 E320 estates have big discs & calipers and some E320 estates - possibly the Sports Chassis cars - have bigger rear discs If you want an example chassis number, WDB1240922F320814 is an E320 estate with sports chassis & big rear brakes Nick Froome www.w124.co.uk |
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| jeremy | Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:32 am Post #8 |
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Nick , Surely if you can find a 2.6 sportline , it would be worth preserving ? And dropping a 3.0 engine into that would be the plan ? Jeremy |
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| blankcanvas | Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:51 am Post #9 |
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Hi Nick, shrekky,Stu,Jeremy, sportline looks the way to go, must put an add in the wanted section and start going on a search,heading to uk in 4/5 weeks ,so will do a bit of online searching in breakers etc., i have seen sportline suspension bits at a fairly reasonable price bushed up and ready to go on ebay.de which saves a bit of mucking about and looking for a press etc., in order to help breakers identify what im looking for , is it true that the numbers 650 appear on the vin for identifying 190s with sportline set up 2.0 and 2.6 included? Regs Dan P.s Nick , by any chance do you have an AMG gen 2 (93-95) front bumper/spoiler for w124? |
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| bolide | Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:25 pm Post #10 |
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I agree, no point breaking a good 2.6 Sportline to raid the suspension... unless it's that £300 pre-facelift car with no MOT, maybe? AMG gen 2 (93-95) front bumper/spoiler for w124? I suspect that's rare & unusual and I'd keep an eye out on eBay or the other two MB forums for one According to the MB RU VIN decoder, 650 is the code for Sports Chassis on a W201 and 950 is Sportline as in: 950 sportline (consisting of codes 65/0, 243, 281) (с 01.10.1989 по 28.02.1993) Where 650 is sports chassis 243 is sport seats, front & rear 281 is 390 mm steering wheel in leather Sportline includes the Sportline badges as well Nick Froome www.w124.co.uk Edited by bolide, Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:26 pm.
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| blankcanvas | Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:16 pm Post #11 |
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Hi Nick, yep rare find even on ebay, the search is on for near 18months. hmmm.maybe im searching for something that would be very hard to find in a 2.6 with sportline set up for harvesting. so based on this what after market suspension set up would forum users recommend, bearing in mind that the front springs have to cope with m103 engine. |
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| shrekky | Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:31 pm Post #12 |
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the standard OEM bilstein shockers are very good,especially when new,i would just renew the standard shocks.........................i dont know if GSF do a lowering kit for the 2.6,but remember the 2.6 shares common parts with the 2.5D shocks,springs,brakes .................so look for 2.5D parts as well ![]() plus someone has already mention in passing..................spring pads ,the difference between #1 pad and #4 pad is 18mm.............for some people,this is enough of a drop |
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.................so look for 2.5D parts as well
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