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Do ALL 16v's have rust behind the body kit pieces?
Topic Started: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:58 am (2,633 Views)
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I found a rust spot behind the passenger front wheel's cladding. Frustrating, because the car is clean otherwise. As far as I know......

Do ALL 16v's have rust behind the cladding...?

Is it inevitable....?
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kentronix
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Not all have rust but many do, mine certainly did. As far as I know all 16v trim is the same, if its aftermarket it may be attached in a different way but as far as I know its all the same.

Wait for confirmation though, I am not an expert on 16vs.
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:21 am
Not all have rust but many do, mine certainly did. As far as I know all 16v trim is the same, if its aftermarket it may be attached in a different way but as far as I know its all the same.

Wait for confirmation though, I am not an expert on 16vs.
Thanks for your help!!

What's the best way to check for rust behind the cladding, without pulling the whole car apart?
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There always seems to be a lot of muck trapped behind the arch lips , get this removed with warm water and a brush , then you can feel for holes , be careful the arches are fixed with sharp screws !

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jeremy
Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:28 am
There always seems to be a lot of muck trapped behind the arch lips , get this removed with warm water and a brush , then you can feel for holes , be careful the arches are fixed with sharp screws !

I must have a look under mine... I do know the rear jacking points are a bit rusty but seems sound. I have rust & little holes on the floor pan under the rear seat just a bit in from the jacking points on both sides but I suppose this is a common problem with them?
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They tend to vary massively from rust spots to full blown inner arch seperation.
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Richy190E
Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:46 am
They tend to vary massively from rust spots to full blown inner arch seperation.
Sorry GoKart.......I'm thread hi-jacking now............... :$ but this is what I'm facing under my rear seat, not too bad I think, maybe a bit or plating needed?

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Putting it off since I discovered it, out of sight out of mind!

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Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:57 am

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Putting it off since I discovered it, out of sight out of mind!

I would wire brush that, then paint it with rust inhibitor.
Should buy you a little more time for a little outlay.
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just take the kit off, it will only cost a few ££ in broken clips and youl get an understanding of what condition your bodyworks in.

majority of 16vs have rust under kit/sills/arches unless they have been garaged

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CrysAk
Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:57 pm
just take the kit off, it will only cost a few ££ in broken clips and youl get an understanding of what condition your bodyworks in.

majority of 16vs have rust under kit/sills/arches unless they have been garaged


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OMG,...... cold shivers,....... gone pale,........ my baby!! :crying:

Thats a job for the winter months!

Hope mine isnt that bad.


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Common sight unfortunately, replace with 8v and bond the rear arches on would be my advice. Waxoyl to death behind afterwards.
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I was thinking of taking off the rear arch mouldings tonight to have a peak, what way do they be usually held on or do they snap easily?
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Usually held by a number of nuts inside the wheelarch.
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Richy190E
Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:19 pm
Usually held by a number of nuts inside the wheelarch.
Thanks Richy, I'll have a go tonight.
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yup, they will be caked in dirt and probably rusted through, have fun :P
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It can vary greatly how much and where you find the rust. For example:

Nearside front wing, just a little at the lower edges of the arch.

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Offside front wing, a lot rustier. Rust not visible with the kit on.

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Mine has also rusted at the rear wing where the bumper fixes on. This is the view from inside the boot.

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I would personally take all the bodykit off and look for the rust now, rather than wait for the rust to let you know that its there. Much easier and cheaper to fix a bit surface rust than having to start welding arches on etc.

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Lets not forget our cars are 20+ years old so rust is expected. :)


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Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:05 pm
Lets not forget our cars are 20+ years old so rust is expected. :)


Yeah, maybe.... but there are plenty of cars out there this age that don't have as much rust as shown in these photos.

Some SCARY photos posted here, especially the 199 car with the body kit removed - can't believe the corrosion!!!!!!! :( :( :(

Maybe I shouldn't buy the 16v I'm looking at - it might break my heart if I pull the body kit and see that much tinworm.
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Scary? Dont buy a 2000 model mini cooper like I did then! Im still convinced that was a new-old-stock shell from 1975 with injection and sportspack arches it was that rotten!

All the corrosion you see here is very straight forward to repair in the right hands.
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Dont forget front wings are simple bolt on panels, very easy to replace. Rears arent, they require welding to replace.
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I think this is the first topic to make me want to cry...
Edited by 1991 190E, Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:31 pm.
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It is sad to see, such excellent engineering elsewhere but a few arches can cause no end of grief unfortunately.
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my first 16v that i totalled at the ring was 100% rust free - when i stripped it for spares I couldnt believe how clean it was - never seen one like it.

my current silver one - same year (although 30k more on the clock) was the worst one - cills, arches, jacking points - if I'd have had to pay, I reckon £1000 worth of welding....

easy way to check is to take side boot liners out. also, take the jacking point covers off and have a look through there....

fingers crossed!!
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for those a little shocked at my 16, rest assured was a happy ending :P was bought as a project car so was expecting this :P

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^^ never knew it has a respray!

You should have kept it green! :lol:
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Always expect the worst, you may be pleasantly surprised as they aren't all that bad!!! ;)
Edited by Stempies, Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:09 pm.
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Simon Revill
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Oh dear I'm looking at one now .... might just have put me off
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And lets not forget that in most cases you get what you pay for. If you want rust free buy CrysAk or cossie connoisseur 16v :D
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:51 pm
Oh dear I'm looking at one now .... might just have put me off
dont let it put you off, just buy a good condition one (price to match unfortunatly) if your not prepared to fix the rust, these cars are gettin on over 20 years now and is to be expected
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CrysAk,could you let me know how much you paid for the welding and respray.
PM if you don't want to post here,thanks
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:41 pm
Simon Revill
Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:51 pm
Oh dear I'm looking at one now .... might just have put me off
dont let it put you off, just buy a good condition one (price to match unfortunatly) if your not prepared to fix the rust, these cars are gettin on over 20 years now and is to be expected
Having to fix rust is one thing....

.... having to weld and replace the lower 30 percent of the car is something else all together.

It's hard to know what's lurking behind the kit. I for one am now very wary of buying a moneypit. Let's face it - I'll spend all my spare $$ on cars no matter what, but I'd rather put it towards fun stuff --- not paying someone else half the car's value to repair rot.
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Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:20 pm
CrysAk,could you let me know how much you paid for the welding and respray.
PM if you don't want to post here,thanks
i got it done very very cheap, 2k for all rust cut out, welding + paint and flat polish finish + any returns for touch ups.

expect to pay in the region of 4-8k for a respray alone, let alone rust treatment
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