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| 190e wont start - DIY Fix.; Starting prob fix (190e 2ltr 1990) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:54 am (30,082 Views) | |
| Fila | Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:54 am Post #1 |
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Hi there i have a 1990 2litre 190e , recently the car wouldnt start. After looking on this forum and reading many posts about cold start valves OVPs ,bosch black boxes etc etc i thought id have a go myself. Result ! I fixed the problem and now it starts well from cold / warm and with stable tick over. I already knew the Fuel pump was ok...by listening at first key position etc. Here are some pics to show where Cold Start Valve and OVP ,Bosch Black Box are located. . BTW in no engineer , but i managed this all within 3 hours which is what i spent checking out loads of posts re starting up the engine. Fistly i checked distributor cap and cleaned contacts with servisol plus a lite rub with fine abrasive . Checked/cleaned leads to spark plugs seemed ok.....removed plugs and cleaned them... this took the longest....put em back in place. Took off air box and checked /cleaned the air intake disc .took off the lower half of air box to get at the Cold Start Valve, removed and cleaned with servisol, i also used a pin to gently clean/ clear the hole at the base of the valve. Seemed ok. re seat valve and electric plug which i cleaned. Basically i cleaned everything which i could get at.......might as well whilst im there eh ! Took out the OVP relay -cleaned pins .checked fuse at top, was fine (under red cover -10 amp) re seated relay, its in a holder also, so make sure its put back so that it doesnt rattle around. reseated the Kickdown cube relay....bit fiddly to get at .....i knew my kick down worked so just a wiggle and i was done. reseated the top long connector of the Bosch Black box as i call it (theres a lever on the LHS ) Thats about it. Turn the key to first position , listen out for the pump sound , then turn round to full position....and hopefully BINGO ! A working 190e. Good luck guys. ![]() ![]() Edited by Fila, Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:55 pm.
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| balamb37 | Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:50 pm Post #2 |
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A very helpful 'post' Fila, and very well labeled. I should imagine it will slow down the 'qwezzies' on where is this and where is that. @ All Mods, it would be an idea to 'Pinn' this post.
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| twopointsix | Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:23 pm Post #3 |
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Nice post. Just one modification required if you get the chance. The black box labelled "kickdown" is actually the Fuel Pump Relay. Just avoids any confusion for future users. Other than that, well done! |
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| stwat | Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:36 am Post #4 |
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Fantastic first post ! Pinned. |
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| stwat | Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:39 am Post #5 |
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The fuel pump relay for the auto transmision cars does have 'kickdown' written on it.
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| Fila | Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:31 pm Post #6 |
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Thanks guys for the feedback and pointing out the fuel pump relay ! Cheers Fila. |
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| yoyo | Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:47 pm Post #7 |
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great post well done
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| Gerry Lloyd | Fri Mar 9, 2012 4:32 am Post #8 |
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nice pics. Is there any precaution re working with the Bosch brain? I was trying to jump start mine and the kind lady phoned her husband mechanic. He warned that I could destroy the ecu that way. |
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| Richy190E | Fri Mar 9, 2012 12:20 pm Post #9 |
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The OVP relay should protect the ecu. |
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| balamb37 | Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:47 pm Post #10 |
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But have a spare fuse ready for the top of the OVP relay as that will probably blow.
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| Gerry Lloyd | Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:49 pm Post #11 |
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tin foil from a pack of polo mints
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| Rich27 | Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:03 pm Post #12 |
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And thats why there is a 10 amp fuse on top of the OVP . I have used the tin foil from some extra strong mints before, just to get me home. Great thread. Edited by Rich27, Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:04 pm.
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| DanialA11 | Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:15 pm Post #13 |
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i used jump leads on my 2.5 16v auto and started next day no starting so i think ovp might be gone as oth 10amp fuses are fine will try change that and clean csv wish me luck |
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| stwat | Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:20 pm Post #14 |
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When using jump leads you should always switch the headlights on to help protect the OVP from power spikes. |
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| DanialA11 | Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:21 pm Post #15 |
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il remember that for future refrence will that 100% protect ovp or still risky? |
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| stwat | Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:34 pm Post #16 |
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Yes it will protect the relay. i have jumped mine without any problems using that method. |
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| Sean M | Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:14 pm Post #17 |
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I am going to give the wee blue plug a try I have done everything else even changed the fuel filter. Thanks for posting this up. |
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| stwat | Thu Aug 29, 2013 7:51 am Post #18 |
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I'l be doing all these checks plus more today in an attempt to get the S going. |
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| auldun2006 | Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:43 am Post #19 |
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wow that is a good bit of information, unfortunately it didn't work for me and could do with some help please My beloved 190e (my first incidentally and wish I'd done it sooner) started a year ago to act up. She developed gearbox issues in that she only ran in third and was faster in reverse. There was no ATF fluid left (my fault) so a new re-con one was fitted, but i have since been told it could of been a vacuum leak along with no ATF fluid that stopped the gearbox operating properly!?! I don't know if that is the case, does vacuum pressure regulate the gearbox?? Anyway After getting car back from the Mercedes specialist fitter (with paint damage and a big bill later, who also struggled like billyo to set the car back up properly) It would start fine from cold, I'd drive for a mile to local shopping centre get some cash out of the machine then try to start again to no avail. I was told it was the OVP, which I had never heard of but I eventually found it (thanks to this site) and replaced it with a new red topped one cured it but the ABS light came back on after installation (could a new OVP be dodgy as the fuses are fine??)The symptoms changed to cold start issues with lumpy start and the sound of running on two cylinders, So I checked coil, ht leads, sparks, dizzy, fifth injector, and all seemed ok and I stopped using cheap tat Tesco fuel on many recommendations from here. I replaced the Hose under the air filter box as it was split (improvement in car), The ignition timing thingy on the inner wing (improvement in car), New battery which I didn't need to change but was on the list, New replacement fuel cap (improvement in car), Fuel filter (more improvement) Checked and replaced any damaged small vacuum hoses (no change) but the problem still exists Yesterday was nice and warm so went to see if my baby would behave but the swine wouldn't play ball at all. The fuel pump would prime intermittently and she kept cutting out and stalling etc. So a replacement fuel relay has been ordered, but I am not sure if that will cure her Does anyone have an idea what the problem might be? (not counting the novice driving and trying to maintain her lol) I have taken it to all the local garages and they know the solution from my description, right up to the point I lift the bonnet and they see the engine and the KE-Jetronic system, Then they start scratching their heads (ooh carbs, not worked on a carb for 20 years mate sorry!) It is very annoying, she is a lovely car but with issues which I want to resolve, and any help would be greatly appreciated Alex |
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| auldun2006 | Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:51 am Post #20 |
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"edit" I have also checked the air flow meter which was dirty but operating fine, and I have temporarily removed the air filter as it is running better without one for now and stopped parking it in front of a hedge as an old boy recommended it (saying older cars don't like mist/moisture and hedges bushes etc trap moisture so don't park near one. A garage is best but I am not afforded that luxury |
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| rhysmangatmotorsport | Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:42 am Post #21 |
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Nice job, I clean my intake plunger ever spring with clean rag and WD40! You can notice the difference on the throttle |
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| Klasse1190 | Sat May 3, 2014 8:32 pm Post #22 |
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Having touble getting the wee motor to go. Runs ok if it eventually catches. Going to check things out and I'll definitely try some of what you suggested. Cheers, Col. |
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| Gnasha | Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:34 pm Post #23 |
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having a cold start problem, how can i get the video/photos back from the first post?
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| Gnasha | Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:30 pm Post #24 |
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Bump
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| loquat1 | Tue Oct 27, 2015 6:07 pm Post #25 |
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Those vids that accompanied the OP are apparently no longer available. Does anyone know where similar can be found? As a complete novice, I could do with some visual guidance. |
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