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Track suspension; which set up
Topic Started: Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:58 am (8,821 Views)
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Hi Chaps!
It's been a while since i posted on here & forgot how to do it lol!
Anyways, i have a straight question for all you knowledgable peeps out there.
The question is > I hava a totally stripped & polybushed cosworth 2.5 16 for track day use only, but when it comes to suspension combo's to use it seems like its a very grey area. So could someone enlighten me as to the most suitable suspension kit to use (THAT HAS BEEN TRIED & TESTED) I have spoken to spax & they say their adjustable kit prob would'nt be man enough for the job!

I have been looking at H&R / YSR / etc etc but it seems spring poundage is another issue. Also been told best to use 500 sl cut springs.

So, please :help: its driving me nuts!!!!!!! & i do not have a mortgage to spend either!

Thanks.
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I've been very happy with my Ground Control race suspension. Coilover conversion at the front, with shortened strut housing, height adjustment collar, and camber plates. Retains the separate spring/damper setup at the rear, but adds height adjustment. Your choice of dampers (I went with double-adjustable Koni Race) and linear springs (Eibach in my case).

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I've got the full-fat race setup, but they offer milder versions at greatly reduced cost. I'm still working on fine-tuning the suspension, but I'm very happy with it overall. Just a bit overwhelmed at the moment by the range of available adjustments.
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Right, I have heard very good things about the H & R Nordschleife kit , you will need to do the ARB's too natch .
Don't take any advice from anyone on here who hasn't done track work .

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Thanks Lan evo!
I have been following your thread quite closely & I must say that roll cage looks second to none!
As far as the suspension goes, i know you are happy with yours but didn't you say that you thought it was squatting & rolling a bit too much in those pics ?

How much was the cost of your suspension set up if you dont mind me asking? I do apreciate your input by the way.

Jeremy, what have you heard about the H&R ?? All constructive info i welcome :) :) I know what you mean about taking other advice from people that have no experience of track use. Thanks.

Sooooo I take it then that the SPAX road is a no go area??
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I've been very happy with my Ground Control race suspension. Coilover conversion at the front, with shortened strut housing, height adjustment collar, and camber plates. Retains the separate spring/damper setup at the rear, but adds height adjustment. Your choice of dampers (I went with double-adjustable Koni Race) and linear springs (Eibach in my case).

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I've got the full-fat race setup, but they offer milder versions at greatly reduced cost. I'm still working on fine-tuning the suspension, but I'm very happy with it overall. Just a bit overwhelmed at the moment by the range of available adjustments.
The photos look great by the way! :driver:
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H & R provided most of the suspensions for the DTM 190's , and the off-the-shelf Nordschleife kit is not a bad compromise for a starter kit . It really is all down to budget ... if it was me with no budget restrictions , I would just hand the car over to them and ask them to sort it .
There are other suspension companies that will do exactly this .

If this is your first year you need to have a slightly softer set-up so that the breakaway point is not so sudden , and then the set-up is screwed down once or twice over the first season and you end up and the start of your second season with a fully hard suspension set-up which has a much more abrupt breakaway point but has better grip , it really is only a matter of degrees .


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Well i have done some track days with my son in his cosworth powered mk2 escort which is well sorted, But i did get caught out with the sudden break away. (exactly as you said) Obviously the ford is a different kettle of fish.

I have about £800 to spend bearing in mind its not a competition car & will only be used about 8 times a year. What do you think about the Yellow speed racing premium kit??

Any idea on cost for H&R? as i can only find the cup kits on the net.

Thanks again for your interest. :)
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My original plan was to use the H&R Nurburgring kit. Based on my research, the kit is not only very stiffly sprung, but uses progressive rate springs. That means you have very little wheel travel before the spring rate goes through the roof. By all accounts, it works well on glass-smooth tracks, but completely loses composure over bumps, crests, etc.

I had a similar suspension on my old BMW E30. It was made by Turner Motorsports (essentially a copy of the factory Gr.N suspension). I hated it. It was very fast in the dry, but the slightest roughness would totally unbalance the car. And it was practically undrivable in the wet.

With my driving style, I like the car to be slightly oversteery. I tend to slide the car around a bit and use the curbing quite a lot. Plus, the circuits I drive here in the northeastern USA and eastern Canada tend to be quite rough/uneven. All of this leads me to favor a far more compliant suspension, which is why I went with Ground Control.
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:57 pm
As far as the suspension goes, i know you are happy with yours but didn't you say that you thought it was squatting & rolling a bit too much in those pics ?
The car feels fine, but I was surprised to see so much squat in a few of the photos from last weekend. The good news is that the suspension uses linear-rate race springs in standard sizes, which are very inexpensive. The rears are especially easy to swap out. I'll try some rear springs with a slightly higher rate and see how things feel.
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The truth is , that suspension is a very personal thing . I like mine rock hard with no lean whatsoever , but there is much to commend a softer set up which tells you when it will let go way before it does .

If I were you , I would talk to a suspension company rather than us on here , there are so many variables that finding the right combination for you can be a matter of adjustment once fitted . Weight will play a part too and any company worth it's salt will talk you through it .

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Jeremy, i too feel better with hard suspension & your advice is good about talking to a specialist but i must keep myself in the real world with the cost.

I am aware that £800 is not going to buy me state of the art racing equipment & its a mind boggling thought on endless combinations possible.

In all honesty, i thought there may have been a member that had done it & got the tee shirt etc etc & said > THIS IS THE BEST KIT FOR YOU! But talking to you two guys on here has made it apparent its not as easy as that! :no: I have taken all you have said & i will talk to a specialist company, but i think the cost will escalate dramatically going down that road.

Its all about The budget i suppose.

LAN EVO,
I would be very interested in your findings with the springs you try & will continue to follow your thread. also thanks for your input & advice, its so nice to get some sensible answers from people for a change.

One last thing Guys, I have asked what you think of that YELLOW SPEED KIT thats available but nobody has said anything!!!
Doyouthinkits a bit gimmick ish?? Plus, i want to upload a pic but it just seems too much of apain in the butt!

Thanks again for both yours & Jeremy's advice & input
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I have never heard of that Yellow kit , so no input from me feckknows

I think that the Nordschleife kit is about 500 euro's-ish ? With uprated arb's and perhaps some brace bars will just about come in on budget ???

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I have limited experience with aftermarket suspension on these. Apart from driving PaulOssie's car which is lowered on some aftermarket kit. I was an incredibly smooth ride I was really impressed. Probably no stiffer than stock though, and I realise you're looking for stiffer.

Through my work I have driven hundreds of road cars - standard not modified. I feel the standard setup is pretty good for the road, one of the best setups I've tried, with a few downsides in track use. There's enough give for smooth cruising, but it's also just firm enough to keep the body movements in check when you throw it around. I wouldn't want it any softer though, nor the car any heavier, because you can tell they have already set up the rear end to be pretty soft for a sports car. Indeed, if you add more weight/passengers to the car then it does tend to feel rather more ponderous at the back and reduces your confidence (but raised rear tire pressures helps A LOT). The damping I feel is very good and it never bounces. A lot of newer cars get this wrong. I would like to try a stiffer setup but wonder whether the chassis is stiff enough to handle it.

As for the track, I have used it on track a number of times, but in total have only driven a few road cars and one race car on track. I used to race karts in the same classes as Lewis, Jensen and co from 8 years old but unsure if that's relevant! The car's too soft in standard form and seems to be at or near the limits of its travel too much of the time if you're really really pressing it. The balance is not awful but could be more responsive at the front, but mostly it just moves a little too much. But this is probably true of 99.9% of road cars.

All old cars such as these do roll a lot more than modern machines. I think it's not a major problem so long as it doesn't a) become pendulous and b) as long as the understeer/oversteer balance is good. I.e. I don't feel it matters if the weight moves around a bit - as long as you can control it and keep pointing the car exactly where you want. This is how a lot of the best French cars feel and to me why they make such effective road sports cars.

I think a lot of your speed on track comes from confidence, so the best setup is one that you feel comfortable with. If you're worried about losing the back end you will back off your speed and end up losing more time than you can make up with a hot suspension setup. For more confidence I would want my 2.5-16 to have more turn-in (try a stock Honda S2000 for perfect example of how a car should turn-in on track! I was amazed) and for it to spend less of its time at the limit of suspension travel where all the feedback is lost and it gets soggy.

One other thing, is the chassis stiff enough to handle stiff springs? I understand that the chassis starts to act as the suspension, when the springs themselves are too stiff. And then you have chaos. So I wonder how stiff you can go with the 190 suspension before you need to have extra chassis bracing, seam welding, and things like that of the kind which you see on ground-up built race cars? Since the 190 chassis is from the early 80s and cars are a lot lot stiffer nowadays. It's also a saloon with 4 door holes which doesn't help. Probably why the m3 was a slightly better drive.
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Hello Maveric its Paul who you bought the 2.5 off, as Mr Pentoman says I have fitted Spax springs and Bilstein Nordshlife dampers all round to mine with new bushes,he is not correct when he says it is no stiffer than the stock set up,it is 40mm lower now and the Spax spring rate is stiffer with much less travel now and the Nordshlife dampers help as well and work really well with these springs, off the track as he says the car is still got quite a good smooth ride.
Russel has never taken the car on a track nad really pushed the car to its limits, this is where you start to realize the difference between this set up and a stock car, it is chalk and cheese you really notice the difference there is no understeer or oversteer and the car roles in the corners a hell of a lot less.
When I had 17 inch AMG wheels on the grip level was fantastic but gave you less indication when it was going to let go,I also fit strut braces when on a track which again makes the car a lot stiffer but I take them off when on the road,much more comfortable seeing as the car spends 90% of its time on the road, the Evo 1 wheels and 16'' tyres are more comfortable as well on the road but more fun when sliding the car around and you get a better idea when the car is on the edge of the grip limits,I did not want to go any further or stiffer with the suspention because I would have to start bracing the car it's self and I did not want to fit the car with a role cage,everything I have done to the car can be taken off and put back to stock if I ever wanted to,the cost for doing all this was around £900-£1000 and well worth it, the car now drives a lot better on and off the track.

All the best Paul
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Hello mate!
There's not much left of that car now! lol.
As you can see from my thread i have a dilemma! The other guys have given some really sound advice & its an endless field of combinations.
The Merc is solely for the track so not interested in a nice smooth ride. I spoke to SPAX & they said the adjustable kit prob wont be man enough so no point in wasting money on it really. But to be fair i was just about to buy that set up before i posted on here!
Really dont know where to go from here as i have all the rear subframe built with poly bush etc etc ready for fitting!

I saw some yellow speed racing struts & springs (specially developed for track) supposedley with front camber adjusable top plates that look impressive for the money but they are japanese & not a lot of feedback on them. $1100 dollars
By the way, it will be running on slicks as much as possible too.

Nice to hear from you. ps. Are you going to santa pod next sunday??
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Hello mate!
There's not much left of that car now! lol.
As you can see from my thread i have a dilemma! The other guys have given some really sound advice & its an endless field of combinations.
The Merc is solely for the track so not interested in a nice smooth ride. I spoke to SPAX & they said the adjustable kit prob wont be man enough so no point in wasting money on it really. But to be fair i was just about to buy that set up before i posted on here!
Really dont know where to go from here as i have all the rear subframe built with poly bush etc etc ready for fitting!

I saw some yellow speed racing struts & springs (specially developed for track) supposedley with front camber adjusable top plates that look impressive for the money but they are japanese & not a lot of feedback on them. $1100 dollars
By the way, it will be running on slicks as much as possible too.

Nice to hear from you. ps. Are you going to santa pod next sunday??
Hi Mav

here's some data that may help you with the suspension set up direction

These are tested values

1) The 16v OEM springs are approx 45N/mm or 256lbs/in

2) Most lowering spring offered off the shelve are stiffer by approx 10% so you are looking at mid 50's N/mm
or 300lbs/in, H&R springs are probably the stiffest of the shelve, you are going to need stiffer springs.
(This is probably why Spax advised you that their kit is not up to the job.

3) H & R race springs RG614VA 320N/mm and 400N/mm are pretty much the limit of spring rate that can be achieved using the OEM spring housing, both top and bottom. The wishbone spring perch limits the inner diameter of the spring, spring wont settle properly. This is why these 2 springs are progressive and has very little play. "As quoted by LAN EVO".

Some 190e rally cars were modified and used a similar system to the YSR spring perch kit, only difference was that they flatten the wishbone perch so it could accommodate smaller diameter springs which had over 500N/mm rate. Basically no longer restricted by the OEM housings.

Now you know what spring rates you actually have on the oem set up...should make your choice of springs a little bit easier.

Ps - if you go with really heavy duty rates...you might want to consider binning the OEM anti roll bar set up for something slightly more race orientated.

Hope this helps

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Thanks for that info mazza!! :) That could actually help me a lot It simplifies things considerably.

Top info.

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Hello mate!
There's not much left of that car now! lol.
As you can see from my thread i have a dilemma! The other guys have given some really sound advice & its an endless field of combinations.
The Merc is solely for the track so not interested in a nice smooth ride. I spoke to SPAX & they said the adjustable kit prob wont be man enough so no point in wasting money on it really. But to be fair i was just about to buy that set up before i posted on here!
Really dont know where to go from here as i have all the rear subframe built with poly bush etc etc ready for fitting!

I saw some yellow speed racing struts & springs (specially developed for track) supposedley with front camber adjusable top plates that look impressive for the money but they are japanese & not a lot of feedback on them. $1100 dollars
By the way, it will be running on slicks as much as possible too.

Nice to hear from you. ps. Are you going to santa pod next sunday??
Ill be therebut not next week on the 1st of July :) , probably going to Retro in my SL though I don,t know if Ill have the Cosworth back by then.
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3) H & R race springs RG614VA 320N/mm and 400N/mm are pretty much the limit of spring rate that can be achieved using the OEM spring housing, both top and bottom. The wishbone spring perch limits the inner diameter of the spring, spring wont settle properly. This is why these 2 springs are progressive and has very little play. "As quoted by LAN EVO".












Hi Mav

I finally found this email which I received from H&R. These are the products offered for the w201

"Will you professionally race with the car or only use it on the track occasionally and mostly
drive it on normal roads (so called "Clubsport" at H&R)

Professional racing:
p/n RSG-32-614-1/5-V
race coil over, set-up "Nürburgring Nordschleife", incl. damping force and height adjustment,
front spring rate: 320N/mm (~1825 lbs/inch) , rear springs rate: 220N/mm (~1255 lbs/inch)

Clubsport:
p/n RSS-32-614-2/1
Clubsport coil over, set up "Nürburgring Nordschleife", only height adjustable
front spring rate: 55N/mm (~ 315 lbs/inch), rear spring rate: 75N/mm (~ 430 lbs/inch)

Additionally we have several so called "group G" springs for the W201. These always use the OE mount and only
lower the car slightly. These are available in different spring rates (220N/mm to 400N/mm on the front and 220N/mm to 280N/mm on the rear),
part numbers are RG614VA-220 (for the front spring with 220N/mm spring rate) or RG614HA-220 (for the rear spring with 220N/mm) and so on."

Image of H&R 320N/mm race spring (image Courtesy of JM Motorsport)

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Teaser Image of a 190e EVO 1 race modified by "Matter racing services", remember them??

Image courtesy of mr..( really nice chap ) cheers fella!

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a little clue for the race orientated anti roll bar

again!! hope this helps

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;) Yes mate, very helpfull.

I cant thank you guys enough for all your sensible help, i think i have some direction now where to start.

By the way, (TRACK DAYS ONLY) NO PUBLIC ROADS. Its just for fun so i have to keep it real on the spend!


Thanks again for all your help with this subject. TOP PEOPLE HERE!!!!!! :D
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I have the Nordschleife kit on my car, it's around 1 500 - 1700 Euro. I have the out of the box setup with 320nm/mm front and 220nm/mm rear.

Best upgrade i have ever done. Still i would like to try it with softer rear springs. Im running Kumho V70As 245/35-18" semi-slicks, tried it with street tires as well, but it was just rubbish. Chassis is too stiff for street tires.

So if you do the upgrade, make sure you get at least semi slicks.

Setup is basically what most of the team ran in Grp. A DTM up to 89, AMG switched to coilovers in 89, but the other teams kept the up to the 1990 season.

Here are also few pics so you can get an idea of the diffrences between you regular Bilstein B6-B8 and HR Cup kit and the H&R/Bilstein motorsport dampers

Yellow Bilstein Motorsport damper, for non Evos, right H&R Evo/non Evo motorsport damper
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My H&R damper same as above
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Here is your regular sport chassis Bilstien B6/B8 dampers, compare the thickness of the piston...
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What kind of camber correction do you get with those H&R coilovers? Do they come with camber plates?
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I have just taken delivery of my trackday set up from YSR. I went for their club performance set up with the 66 way comp/rebound adjustment and remote resovoirs.
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i will be at beford on sat 25th testing them out so will let you know how they perform. I am wary of the ground control kit due to the mercedes strut towers not being designed to take the full sprung weight of the car.

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I'm trying to locate some Polyeurethene bushes for my 190 2.5 16v but can't see them listed anywhere. Can I ask which make did you use and where did you get them please?

Thanks

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Hi

I'm trying to locate some Polyeurethene bushes for my 190 2.5 16v but can't see them listed anywhere. Can I ask which make did you use and where did you get them please?

Thanks

Mark


Have you tried these guys http://www.floflex.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=115_119&products_id=552

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I mean e500 or R129 srping-rates...
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I'm trying to locate some Polyeurethene bushes for my 190 2.5 16v but can't see them listed anywhere. Can I ask which make did you use and where did you get them please?

Thanks

Mark


Have you tried these guys http://www.floflex.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=115_119&products_id=552

mazza

Hi Mazza

Great. Thanks for that.

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I have the Nordschleife kit on my car, it's around 1 500 - 1700 Euro. I have the out of the box setup with 320nm/mm front and 220nm/mm rear.

Best upgrade i have ever done. Still i would like to try it with softer rear springs. Im running Kumho V70As 245/35-18" semi-slicks, tried it with street tires as well, but it was just rubbish. Chassis is too stiff for street tires.

So if you do the upgrade, make sure you get at least semi slicks.

Setup is basically what most of the team ran in Grp. A DTM up to 89, AMG switched to coilovers in 89, but the other teams kept the up to the 1990 season.

Here are also few pics so you can get an idea of the diffrences between you regular Bilstein B6-B8 and HR Cup kit and the H&R/Bilstein motorsport dampers

Yellow Bilstein Motorsport damper, for non Evos, right H&R Evo/non Evo motorsport damper
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My H&R damper same as above
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Here is your regular sport chassis Bilstien B6/B8 dampers, compare the thickness of the piston...
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I have the Nordschleife kit on my 190 with Spax springs, I think its fantastic as wel,l as you can see in the picture below on the ring, its got a very firm ride but not uncomfortable at all on the road/
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Hello Maveric its Paul who you bought the 2.5 off, as Mr Pentoman says I have fitted Spax springs and Bilstein Nordshlife dampers all round to mine with new bushes,he is not correct when he says it is no stiffer than the stock set up,it is 40mm lower now and the Spax spring rate is stiffer with much less travel now and the Nordshlife dampers help as well and work really well with these springs, off the track as he says the car is still got quite a good smooth ride.
Russel has never taken the car on a track nad really pushed the car to its limits, this is where you start to realize the difference between this set up and a stock car, it is chalk and cheese you really notice the difference there is no understeer or oversteer and the car roles in the corners a hell of a lot less.
When I had 17 inch AMG wheels on the grip level was fantastic but gave you less indication when it was going to let go,I also fit strut braces when on a track which again makes the car a lot stiffer but I take them off when on the road,much more comfortable seeing as the car spends 90% of its time on the road, the Evo 1 wheels and 16'' tyres are more comfortable as well on the road but more fun when sliding the car around and you get a better idea when the car is on the edge of the grip limits,I did not want to go any further or stiffer with the suspention because I would have to start bracing the car it's self and I did not want to fit the car with a role cage,everything I have done to the car can be taken off and put back to stock if I ever wanted to,the cost for doing all this was around £900-£1000 and well worth it, the car now drives a lot better on and off the track.

All the best Paul
Hi Paulossie

I am trying to figure out a suspension I should get for my car. It seems that you described exactly what I need, plus your picture of your/ gray 190e looks great with minimal squat. Do you have any pictures of your suspension? Can you email me at gus.montoya@gmail.com the pictures?

I'll greatly appreciate it.
Gus
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Paulossie
Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:17 pm
Hello Maveric its Paul who you bought the 2.5 off, as Mr Pentoman says I have fitted Spax springs and Bilstein Nordshlife dampers all round to mine with new bushes,he is not correct when he says it is no stiffer than the stock set up,it is 40mm lower now and the Spax spring rate is stiffer with much less travel now and the Nordshlife dampers help as well and work really well with these springs, off the track as he says the car is still got quite a good smooth ride.
Russel has never taken the car on a track nad really pushed the car to its limits, this is where you start to realize the difference between this set up and a stock car, it is chalk and cheese you really notice the difference there is no understeer or oversteer and the car roles in the corners a hell of a lot less.
When I had 17 inch AMG wheels on the grip level was fantastic but gave you less indication when it was going to let go,I also fit strut braces when on a track which again makes the car a lot stiffer but I take them off when on the road,much more comfortable seeing as the car spends 90% of its time on the road, the Evo 1 wheels and 16'' tyres are more comfortable as well on the road but more fun when sliding the car around and you get a better idea when the car is on the edge of the grip limits,I did not want to go any further or stiffer with the suspention because I would have to start bracing the car it's self and I did not want to fit the car with a role cage,everything I have done to the car can be taken off and put back to stock if I ever wanted to,the cost for doing all this was around £900-£1000 and well worth it, the car now drives a lot better on and off the track.

All the best Paul
Hi Paulossie

I am trying to figure out a suspension I should get for my car. It seems that you described exactly what I need, plus your picture of your/ gray 190e looks great with minimal squat. Do you have any pictures of your suspension? Can you email me at gus.montoya@gmail.com the pictures?

I'll greatly appreciate it.
Gus
Hi,
The cars suspension is completely apart at the moment but it's in Chester 130 miles away I might go up there next week and rebuild the rear end if so I'll take some pictures and post them on the site Iv been meaning to of the further work IV done to it anyway, I been busy sorting out my W211 sport estate to do the 190, the v6 Turbo E class is now sorted with 695 Newton meters of torque it's nuts, now it's back onto the 190 it's got to be done.
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Someone asked about poly bushes. Try Hedgehog Motorsport. There's a uk based shop that imports them to europe, they have a website on facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/HedgehogMotorsport?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-190-shop/1394558384128109?fref=ts
http://www.hedgehog-motorsport.com/
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lowman
Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:26 pm
Does anyone know if this "nordschleife "kit still beeing made?
and if so...does anyone have this kit?and in THAT case...could someone come up with the length of the shock body?

hope to hear from you :)
I found this with a bit of digging.... it is from the H & R website pdf.

MERCEDES-BENZ W 201

Rennen-NR-NS mit Härteverstellung/with damping force adjustment RSG-32-614-1/1
nicht höhenverstellbar/not height adjustable

Rennen-NR-NS mit Härteverstellung/with damping force adjustment RSG-32-614-1/1-V

Rennen-GP-Kurs mit Härteverstellung/with damping force adjustment RSG-32-614-2/1

Slalom mit Härteverstellung/with damping force adjustment RSL-32-614-1/1

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but thank you very much for quick reply :)
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