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Engine Conversion
Topic Started: Fri Jan 3, 2014 1:41 pm (1,736 Views)
nikhil
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Happy New Year all,

Just wanted to know what options I have in regards to engine conversions, I have a 2l auto
I don't want to build a monster v8 or go down the YB cosworth engine route. Just want something a little more modern. Was thinking maybe something from the w202. Also looking to keep it an auto.

Any ideas people???

I'm based in London so if anyone could point me in the right direction, would be much appreciated

Thanks in advance
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Marty
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Anything can be done with a will,but a lot less hassle if you look at the W124 engines as w202 are pretty involved with
regard to electronics, can-bus coded components etc.
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nikhil
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Thanks, I'm new to the 190 swaps so what a fairly simple/easy conversions. Ideally looking for something that will drop in, something where I don't need to gas and hold the key over for 4-5secs
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nikhil
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Any thoughts anyone??
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A 2.3 8V ?

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Downside190
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The engine from a w202 would fit no problem, the hard part is the electronics. Theres a thread I found previously on 190rev discussing it here and another thread detailing a completed swap here although the last one used a custom ECU.
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jeremy
Sun Jan 5, 2014 4:28 am
A 2.3 8V ?

Jeremy
Certainly the easiest to fit, although not so easy to get hold of and not more modern.

One of the things I like about the 190s engine is that it isn't modern and doesn't have modern issues. If you are having to gas for 5 seconds before it starts then it sounds like you have an engine issue, if that is the reason for going modern I would probably checkout what a working, serviced older engine can be like.

Am I correct in thinking you also want more power ? Not just something that starts quicker ?

The 2.6 (or 3.0) from a similar ages w201 or w124 is an option although you need to modify the slam panel and would be advised to do the brakes too. It isnt more modern though.
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nikhil
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Sun Jan 5, 2014 11:41 am
The engine from a w202 would fit no problem, the hard part is the electronics. Theres a thread I found previously on 190rev discussing it here and another thread detailing a completed swap here although the last one used a custom ECU.
Thanks for the reply, yh I think the electronics would kill me to do. Anyone on here do conversions of this type?
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nikhil
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Sun Jan 5, 2014 12:00 pm
jeremy
Sun Jan 5, 2014 4:28 am
A 2.3 8V ?

Jeremy
Certainly the easiest to fit, although not so easy to get hold of and not more modern.

One of the things I like about the 190s engine is that it isn't modern and doesn't have modern issues. If you are having to gas for 5 seconds before it starts then it sounds like you have an engine issue, if that is the reason for going modern I would probably checkout what a working, serviced older engine can be like.

Am I correct in thinking you also want more power ? Not just something that starts quicker ?

The 2.6 (or 3.0) from a similar ages w201 or w124 is an option although you need to modify the slam panel and would be advised to do the brakes too. It isnt more modern though.
Your spot on mate, more thank likely is my engine, but it's only done 79k I've always serviced it. But within the last year I've experienced irratic idle, car taking ages to start. Once started the revs dropping and the car cuttin off.

The only thing the engine had on it when I bought it was a aftermarket air filter, ive just sourced a original one, see if that makes a diff. Im also thinking on the lines of maybe there is a airleak somewhere feckknows

Is there anyone around the London area I can take my car to, or meet up with so they can have a look, or point me in the right direction. As some of you guys on here really know your stuff. Wish there we're local meets can't seem to find any 190s in the north London area
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63 V8.......
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Bradders
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Never been a fan of aftermarket air filters myself. Worth trying an original spec one again to see if it helps in my opinion. If you suspect an air leak buy a can of carb / Injector cleaner and spray small squirts of it methodically around the possible places on the engine where the leak may be (engine running obviously). If the revs suddenly rise,youve found the area of your leak. Be careful around the side where the exhaust manifold is,as liberal dosing of combustible liquid sprayed around a hot manifold could catch fire.
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DanialA11
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Isent it got something to with ovp or fpr or csv that makes car cut of on starting?
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nikhil
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Bradders
Sun Jan 5, 2014 2:12 pm
Never been a fan of aftermarket air filters myself. Worth trying an original spec one again to see if it helps in my opinion. If you suspect an air leak buy a can of carb / Injector cleaner and spray small squirts of it methodically around the possible places on the engine where the leak may be (engine running obviously). If the revs suddenly rise,youve found the area of your leak. Be careful around the side where the exhaust manifold is,as liberal dosing of combustible liquid sprayed around a hot manifold could catch fire.
Nice 1 Bradders il give that a go.
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nikhil
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DanialA11
Sun Jan 5, 2014 2:29 pm
Isent it got something to with ovp or fpr or csv that makes car cut of on starting?
Sorry not quite sure I understand
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nikhil
Sun Jan 5, 2014 3:18 pm
DanialA11
Sun Jan 5, 2014 2:29 pm
Isent it got something to with ovp or fpr or csv that makes car cut of on starting?
Sorry not quite sure I understand
sorry does not look like i was writing in full english -_-

when ypu stated before about car starting then revs dropping and cutting out, does this only happen in the cold ?
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nikhil
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To be honest it happens on a random one. Almost like it's down a cylinder then goes back to normal when I'm driving it. But idle goes up and down quite a bit. Like it's running out of breath
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Sounds like it needs a 'bludy good' service to me. Sorry but I cannot see the point in trying to up-grade a 2ltr,
Mine does in excess of 120mph and held that for trips to south germany and back a few times.
I would start with checking all the vacuum lines first then onto the electrics and other known probs that the 190s are prone to (OVP etc) .
Anyway best of luck with it, just don't give up ;) .
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nikhil
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Sun Jan 5, 2014 7:53 pm
Sounds like it needs a 'bludy good' service to me. Sorry but I cannot see the point in trying to up-grade a 2ltr,
Mine does in excess of 120mph and held that for trips to south germany and back a few times.
I would start with checking all the vacuum lines first then onto the electrics and other known probs that the 190s are prone to (OVP etc) .
Anyway best of luck with it, just don't give up ;) .
I agree it defo needs to be checked over. That's why I'm in hope that someone local mite be able to help or point me in the right direction. But I've no plans on giving up on the car just yet. Love it to much. Put a lot of work into it looking the way it does
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alogaparaloga
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I suspect that your problem is just fueling as with most engines of this age mate. My 1.8 had the habit of leaning out at cruising speeds in 5th gear and even downshifting to 4th was not catchiung up that fast.
If you can source good parts to fix it without breaking the bank then it's worth fixing.

For swaps though If you are looking for more power then it's worth looking at other engines like a 2.3 or a 6cyl.
If your desire is to get something that is just about 20% higher on power I would not bother with engine swaps.
I would just go to modify to EFI and get the car mapped by a specialist. That way you can enjoy your car without having to do any paperwork and will have better drivability and fuel economy.
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nikhil
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 10:25 am
I suspect that your problem is just fueling as with most engines of this age mate. My 1.8 had the habit of leaning out at cruising speeds in 5th gear and even downshifting to 4th was not catchiung up that fast.
If you can source good parts to fix it without breaking the bank then it's worth fixing.

For swaps though If you are looking for more power then it's worth looking at other engines like a 2.3 or a 6cyl.
If your desire is to get something that is just about 20% higher on power I would not bother with engine swaps.
I would just go to modify to EFI and get the car mapped by a specialist. That way you can enjoy your car without having to do any paperwork and will have better drivability and fuel economy.
Really like the sound of this EFI conversion, I think it may be the way forward for me. Any pointer or direction for me to go in. As I have no clue where to start
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PJM01
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Here's Alogaparaloga's thread - Emerald efi install

I'm thinking of doing something similar in the future.

Your car looks good Nikhil, definitely worth sorting.
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Mick261c
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Yep, defo a nice looking motor, I would try a couple of simple checks first,...fuse on the ovp relay and check out the cold start valve is doing its job , might be worth checking the distributor cap and rotor arm as well, good luck nikhill.
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PARI
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Nice looking motor, where in london are you based.
Liking the grille, fancy swapping over for a standard chrime jobbie??
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gibpetrolhead
Sun Jan 5, 2014 1:14 pm
63 V8.......
Hhmmm... Tasty!!!
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Link to my efi thread. http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6725452/
There are also a few other efi threads under the engine section of this forum.
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carat 3.6 amg
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That's a nice looking car, just needs an m104 fitted to it.....
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mit
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Fit a RB26DETT :)
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nikhil
Mon Jan 6, 2014 8:01 am
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:J Just a quick snap of my beauty
your cars not green by any chance is it?
im pretty sure thats my friend bens old car..

these threads might be of interest to you?

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6513043/1/#new

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6522698/1/#new



Edited by rick 1, Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:37 pm.
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rick 1
Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:23 pm
nikhil
Mon Jan 6, 2014 8:01 am
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:J Just a quick snap of my beauty
your cars not green by any chance is it?
im pretty sure thats my friend bens old car..

these threads might be of interest to you?

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6513043/1/#new

http://mercedes-190.co.uk/topic/6522698/1/#new



There she is!

I have searched and searched for this car since the day i sold it.

I should never have sold it.

Any news?
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