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got another problem its a joke
Topic Started: Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:36 pm (1,451 Views)
jason3249
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hi peope this car is pissing me of got new problem

wife took the car out

and now the clutch pedal stays on the floor

how come im getting all this problems

the car has had 2 owners from new 2nd son in law full service history 98k on clocks its like new mint

whats going on


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wife said theres hydraulic fluid under the car on the floor shes getting the breakdown



didnt have no problems with my old 190 afew years back not even that long ago
Edited by jason3249, Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:52 pm.
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Either it's a problem with the hydraulic command(master or slave cylinder or maybe just the system needs bleeding) or you need a new clutch kit(clutch plate diaphragm).
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jason3249
Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:50 pm
wife said there hydraulic fluid under the car on the floor

didnt have no problems with my old 190 afew years back
Sounds like the slave cylinder's dead. Not as bad as a dead clutch.
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is it a hard job
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I'm not sure I've never done it on a 190. Technically not too complicated as long as you can get to it reasonably easily.

Sorry mine's an auto.
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You won't know what it is until you find where the leak is coming from.
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jason3249
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are let you all know if i can see by the time she gets back most porb be dark
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How's she getting back? 1st gear all the way?
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breakdown dont go in gear :-)
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Might be worth taking it straight to the garage to get fixed. If it's purely hydraulic it's not likely to cost loads.

At least it didn't happen in France.
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in deed wife said on skype as my phone is in the car the breakdown said its the slave cylinder

is that hard any one know is it hard to bleed it :)
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well he thinks
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Hate to play devils advocate but I've often said that low mileage cars can be problematic. 98k in 20+ years is not enough to keep everything running nicely. I've ended up replacing almost every rubber part on my low miler.

I'd never have another low mileage car.

Gary
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its getting there just scrap it lol

hes new saying its most prob clutch master cyinder so dont no till it gets here shes on way
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If the clutch hydraulic circuit is not regularly bled the life will shorten, but not completely surprising parts fail on a 20 year old car.

As stu says you need to trace the leak and fix it. When there's no more fluid in the circuit it's not going to work.
Edited by eagle3, Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:27 pm.
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had a look cant find the leak filled it back up and its going agen

all i can find is theres fluid on the bottom of the gearbox

apart from that cant find a leak heard a noise splurting only once stuck now :)
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I think it's probably the slave cylinder that's sprung a leak. I wouldn't go too far in it as it is. You'll be calling the truck out again..
Edited by eagle3, Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:27 pm.
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I think it is

The inside of the foot well is dry and its only wey on the bottom of the gearbox

So its wet at the front and now at the back its not ending :)
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Yes that certainly sounds like the slave then as eagle said. apparently it can be a pain in the arse to bleed.

Was the car stood unused for a lengthy amount of time before you bought it?
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Hi Jason,

Don't get bent out of shape; it will be fine. Inconvenient no doubt.
If there is fluid leaking, from the clutch assy, and the clutch is not working, it can only be three things.
The clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, or the hose connecting them.

I must mention that the seals and hoses can be damaged by the wrong brake fluid; I learned this the hard way.
To me "the wrong brake fluid" is anything other than authentic MB fluid, in an MB bottle.
I say this because the brand fluid I was using allegedly met the DOT spec., and still made the seals gummy and soft.

Regardless, I replaced everything for under $400 at the Dealer.
Sorry for you problem; it's not your fault.
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yer its been sat for 10 years only moved for a mot once a year

pipes are dry the gearbox tunnel is dry so is the inside of the car

:)
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You're not making a lot of sense Jason..

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This is what you said when you bought the car

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i brought a mercedes 190e 1.8 1992

its clean for its age but does need a body tidy up big time very clean on the inside all round really

runs great drives well

94k on clocks full service etc


Was the car serviced at all while it was standing for 10 years?

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First you say
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The inside of the foot well is dry and its only wey on the bottom of the gearbox


Now you say
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the gearbox tunnel is dry


Which is it?
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jason3249
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It has full service history

As said it only moved once a year for mot and service then sat same agen the year after

Done that for 10 years

Right the inside of the foot well is dry

The gearbox tunnel is dry

The only bit what's wet is the bottom of the gearbox

So its got to be the slave cylinder

As fluid has run out of it down the gearbox and on the floor

Has to be that as evey thing else is dry even the pipes are

:)
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In that case I would just get a new slave cylinder and change it. They don't cost a fortune. I don't think it's worth trying to repair the old one unless you're on the bones of your arse..

Link to models for reference (sorry it's in french) http://www.oscaro.com/recepteur-d-embrayage-mercedes-benz-190-201-1-8-i-109cv-620-8079-2713-gt?searchType=standard
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40 from gsf till the next problem :)
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If you aint bought it yet, it's cheaper from CP4L http://www.carparts4less.co.uk/hydraulic-clutches
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jason3249
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Thanks bud

Cant work out where the fluid can leak out on it been looking at the pic

Wont it just leak in to the gearbox

:)
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Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:09 pm
Hi Jason,

Don't get bent out of shape; it will be fine. Inconvenient no doubt.
If there is fluid leaking, from the clutch assy, and the clutch is not working, it can only be three things.
The clutch master cylinder, clutch slave cylinder, or the hose connecting them.

I must mention that the seals and hoses can be damaged by the wrong brake fluid; I learned this the hard way.
To me "the wrong brake fluid" is anything other than authentic MB fluid, in an MB bottle.
I say this because the brand fluid I was using allegedly met the DOT spec., and still made the seals gummy and soft.

Regardless, I replaced everything for under $400 at the Dealer.
Sorry for you problem; it's not your fault.
Listen to this man.He speaketh mucho sense................
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i know what it is as said daliscar

anyway how can a slave cylinde leak its all metal with a pipe going in to it and pipe isnt leaking by the way

its all dry apart from the bottom of the gearbox the inside of the car is dry

put fresh fluid in it and it work agen so got to be the slave cylinde

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It's the seal on the piston, and possibly a corroded cylinder.

The piston pushes the lever which in turn pushes the thrust bearing against the clutch plate, which in turn pulls the clutch disc off the engine flywheel so you can change gear.
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got you

iv sorted the light out its of now cleened the low water switch in the header tank and its all working

thats one problem down


any way back to the other problems

the last time the car was started was yesterday

went down to it undone the water cap and loads of pressure come out so its holding pressure

so why dont the heating work i was told its low pressure but its holding pressure

so the matrix must be blocked

:)
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Heater matrix blocked...

Not necessarily. The heater control uses intake vacuum to operate the coolant valves and air shutters.
SO you have to start from the control, check vacuum, make sure the actuator is not rusted stiff, etc.
If you keep the coolant rich/thick, the heater core and radiator can last the life of the car; what condition is your coolant?

Any car you get is going to need a number of things, but once you get it caught-up, things WILL be better.
And you know your mates in here will help you. :D

Try paying $65k for a NEW car, and the stinking thing has electronics alarms every single weekend, until you get sick and dump it onto the used car market.
This is exactly what happened; the only decent car I have right now is my 190, and it's 25 years old.
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i said about the vacum but dont know where to start with that

if it helps i have no vacum going to the part in the pic

its got new coolant

:)
Edited by jason3249, Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:17 am.
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I would be checking your head gasket.

Brown coolant and a stuck/sludged level sensor in the expansion tank, combined with your other problems (pressurised when cold, irregular coolant circulation/temp issues etc) all point towards an issue like this.

Maybe that's what has burst the rad too.

You need to sort it ASAP before the you ruin the head if that is what is wrong. It's a very common issue on your model (1.8 litre M102)

On the positive side, a new gasket set is around £30 and you should see change from £100 with all the other bits if you can DIY - unless the head is corroded badly.
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jason3249
Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:03 pm
got you

iv sorted the light out its of now cleened the low water switch in the header tank and its all working

thats one problem down


any way back to the other problems

the last time the car was started was yesterday

went down to it undone the water cap and loads of pressure come out so its holding pressure

so why dont the heating work i was told its low pressure but its holding pressure

so the matrix must be blocked

:)
You've gone off topic there. Shame.
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it wasnt sludge it was metal like when you cut some think and you get the metal dust
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Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:57 am
it wasnt sludge it was metal like when you cut some think and you get the metal dust
Someone's put K-seal crap in there. Coppery coloured?
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