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Electric engine conversion; Has anyone converted their engine from gas to electric?
Topic Started: Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:45 am (1,858 Views)
bloomburyfan
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Hi,
I realise this might be sacrilegious but if you're a 190e owner in 2017, you're probably used to "thinking differently" from the rest of your peer group :)
Any opinions on full electric conversion?
Please bear in mind that although I like a gas engine (the noise, hum, rev, etc), I would even more like an electric for the obvious reasons.
I looked into a UK conversion company, (youtube electric porsche 911), but such a conversion would be about £40k, and not anywhere near an affordable step. Just curious if anyone else has looked into it. I understand an earlier model would be better for electric conversion as the more basic the better.
If the cost were lower, as in maybe £5k :) :) I would consider it.
Also, would be fantastic on a 70s CSL :)
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Twin turbo
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Personaly hate electrics cars... Electric cars is only a fashion bulshit thing.... Its only good for the local enviroment, but worse for the global enviroment, so its only a politics crap solution...
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MercManCraig
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Hello there

My dad went through a bit of an electric car midlife crisis in the early 2000's when i was a kid. He made a road legal electric Reliant robin as well as later a more practical Reliant Kitten.
The robin had the batteries in the boot under the floor and with the light motors motors being practically under the dashboard it'd pull wheelies if you gave it the beans !

In regards to converting a 190e, unless you have pretty low expectations i don't think you'd manage it for £5k and still have a usable car (ie not a 190e shaped milk float) unless you DIY'd it yourself or found yourself a mad scientist type guy willing to join you.
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Will
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£40k or even £5k buys a lot of petrol... :)
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G3MAW
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Up, stop. Down, stop. However refined and developed it became ( Merlin, Griffon etc) the basic principle of piston combustion was obsolete by 1912. Rotary is the obvious way to go and electric , whether from batteries or hydrogen, is long overdue, despite the huge corporate interests long-opposed to such a move. The pace of battery improvement, a legacy from laptop computers, is staggering. A useable range of 250 to 300 miles is not far off, with 0 to 60 times that even now can make a Mini Cooper blush!
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ConorD
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Hello and welcome.
MB themselves did a 190 Elektro years ago. Motor technology, much moreso battery technology, has moved on a lot since then, but you might get some ideas from them.
Some details here: https://ranwhenparked.net/2013/12/16/a-look-at-mercedes-w201-and-w202-based-electric-vehicles/

If you read German, this has details on motor power etc. - http://www.autozeitung.de/mercedes-190-e-w201-baby-benz-30-jahre-bilder-technische-daten-76783.html push it through https://translate.google.com/ if you don't speak any German.

OK, this has motor power & other details in English :) http://www.benzworld.org/forums/general-mercedes-benz/1846042-mercedes-benz-reflects-early-ev-prototypes.html

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ConorD
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G3MAW
Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:13 am
Up, stop. Down, stop. However refined and developed it became ( Merlin, Griffon etc) the basic principle of piston combustion was obsolete by 1912. Rotary is the obvious way to go and electric , whether from batteries or hydrogen, is long overdue, despite the huge corporate interests long-opposed to such a move. The pace of battery improvement, a legacy from laptop computers, is staggering. A useable range of 250 to 300 miles is not far off, with 0 to 60 times that even now can make a Mini Cooper blush!
Kind of disagree... Both hydrogen and electrics have allot of problem follows IT too, its not the real long term solution... Electrics cars is not some thing New, but sure technology is come much futher. Rotary engines is good in theory, but to get IT working and be relaible in real life has shown to be very hard and costly...

How i still look at it, combustion engines is still the best overall alternative...
Edited by Twin turbo, Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:23 pm.
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bloomburyfan
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Thanks for your feedback folks.

Yes, well, £5k was my dream cost, but obviously not the case.
I would gladly do it for that price to get Tesla batteries and 250mile range :) But, alas, i'm £35k short.
And, yes, that's a lot of gas for that price though non-petrol would be the focus.
Cheers.
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Daliscar
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Repeat from another thread.......



Here's food for thought. Could this be the future for classic cars? The (albeit grudging) alternative best of both worlds?
Do you know how much Neil Young actively cares?
https://www.streetmachine.com.au/features/1612/neil-young-lincvolt-electric-1959-lincoln-continental-mark-iv
Search LincVolt for more :driver:
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Twin turbo
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Well can share this. 5k is not many manhouers and material on a conversion like that. To go from proper engine "bomb" to electrics, basicly "all" need change and be modded... Sure as a "diy" prodject, if got a "complete" electrics car to "scrap", IT would be cheaper in money, bit still allot of houers...
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G3MAW
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“Modding” ? Have you seen the amount of kit required to make diesels comply with current EU 6 levels - about 4k’s worth. Not to mention the frequent re-fills of ADBLUE needed to stop the engine from being switched off by the ecu program ( ADBLU = urea = horse p..s )
Brains in Runcorn can now convert shredded tyre waste into hydrogen ( a World First,by the way.) .
A final thought, the best level of efficiency achievable by a petrol engine, albeit in a laboratory, is 10%, so around 6% in practice. Conclusion? Better to use them for heating and noise creation...
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MercManCraig
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You sure about that 10% thermal efficiency ? feckknows
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G3MAW
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Mechanical efficiency to the driven wheels bedevilled with heat creation, timing/mixture compromises , exhaust/breathing emissions requirements and, in the case of diesel technology, additional fuel wastage for particulates filtration and soot disposal. Incidentally, it’s this additional kit that is responsible for the increased maintenance costs after the first three years of engine life. Apart from poor efficiency , it’s the environmental impact on the community at large which will be the major force for change.
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Twin turbo
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And where does allot of electric come from around the world? Its not like IT is 100% clean and 100% efficiency... And the production, and material used does not just pop up 100% clean, so the toatal real enviroment benefits is not better...But you dont se IT when sitting in the electrics car so then in "politican" eyes its fixed...
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JustbeCoz
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I think anyone who mentions Electric cars should be shot.

The whole point of gas guzzlers is the variety and character of their engines.

Can you imagine the topics of discussion in future car forums if this mentality persists?


Subforum : Electrical, Topic: Whine from rear end of car Post : my car is making a whining noise Reply: that's the motor


I'd rather choke on nitrous oxides............
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Beryl
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Mon Nov 6, 2017 7:53 am
And where does allot of electric come from around the world? Its not like IT is 100% clean and 100% efficiency... And the production, and material used does not just pop up 100% clean, so the toatal real enviroment benefits is not better...But you dont se IT when sitting in the electrics car so then in "politican" eyes its fixed...
As much as I like my old Mercs internal combustion engines really are antiquated, inefficient and dirty.

Love em or hate em electric vehicles will soon be mainstream and it won't be that long before the only way you'll be able to drive into town will be in a zero emission vehicle.

Offshore wind power has a rapid payback period in both manufacture, installation and CO2 costs and is extremely clean so an excellent source of power. If possible have a test drive in a Nissan Leaf, there's nothing like the silent power and handling that an EV can deliver, you'll be smitten!
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Beryl
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:48 pm
Twin turbo
Mon Nov 6, 2017 7:53 am
And where does allot of electric come from around the world? Its not like IT is 100% clean and 100% efficiency... And the production, and material used does not just pop up 100% clean, so the toatal real enviroment benefits is not better...But you dont se IT when sitting in the electrics car so then in "politican" eyes its fixed...
As much as I like my old Mercs internal combustion engines really are antiquated, inefficient and dirty.

Love em or hate em electric vehicles will soon be mainstream and it won't be that long before the only way you'll be able to drive into town will be in a zero emission vehicle.

Offshore wind power has a rapid payback period in both manufacture, installation and CO2 costs and is extremely clean so an excellent source of power. If possible have a test drive in a Nissan Leaf, there's nothing like the silent power and handling that an EV can deliver, you'll be smitten!
Work with cars daily, so have driven a few diffrent electric cars, and all i say, i will never like it better them a proper car... Sure i understand that its "better" in high density areas, but thats it... The total enviroment "save" is not there when take complete lifecyclus of a electric car vs a "normal", only exhsust when drive comes out somewhere else...
Edited by Twin turbo, Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:21 am.
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Greek Taxi
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Why electrify a 190?
It is a car of the 1980s.
Enjoy it for what it is.
To electrify it is as pointless as automating a mangle.
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Schwarzblau
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:22 am

To electrify it is as pointless as automating a mangle.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Early-60s-English-Electric-Washing-Machine-With-Mangle-/162712221255

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