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Part numbers rear subframe bushes; Mercedes seem to have changed them
Topic Started: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:21 pm (275 Views)
daveenty
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Having decided to check and eliminate any rust from underneath, I dropped the subframe from the 190 in order to clean and rub down the previously obscured floor areas. Whilst the frame was off it gave me a good chance to check everything over, most of it being in pretty good nick for what's basically a 30 year old car.

I reckoned that it was logical to replace the mounting bushes as I had easy access to them, so ordered a set from Mercedes. Mistake number one. The front ones were fine, part number 124 350 03 41, and were fitted without drama though the rear ones I was given were totally different. According to my parts guy the original ones have been modified from the original A2013512842, to A2023503408 which, as the number suggests, seem to be from a W202?

I've spoken with three different dealers, including Poole who specialise in the earlier stuff and they've all said the same, so it's obvious, to me at least, that there's an issue with EPC somewhere along the line. They also all state that the correct part number is now obsolete and no longer available.

After many hours of internet searching I've managed to find a pair of rears from a local(ish) motor factor so will check them out tomorrow, and hope the guy will send me a couple of pictures to confirm the fit then I can pick them up.

Has anyone else had this problem or is it just me? I can't understand why the part number has been changed to something which is vastly different to the original part.
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Will the new bushes not physically fit? The 202 shared many parts with the 201, the rear subframe and sussy setup being one of them. The same goes for the 210. I've bought parts for my 201's in the past with 210, 202 and 124 part numbers. I think I there may have also been a 126 part number thrown in the mix too.
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daveenty
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They look as if they'll fit in the subframe Stu, though they certainly wouldn't fit on the chassis/frame.

On the original bush there's an indent in the top which lines up with the spigot from the underside of the car. The new ones don't have this so would physically have nowhere to locate, as the bolt hole is too small to fit over the spigot which would leave the rear of the subframe hanging down a couple of inches.
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daveenty
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Just thought that a picture may help with this.

This is the original bush, still in place: -

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And this is what it has to fit over on the chassis: -

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This is the bush I was given by MB: -

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The new one will not fit over the spigot on the chassis even the wrong way (wider hole). As it goes in from underneath the subframe this means that the smaller hole faces upwards and is much too small to fit. I'll be taking them back to Mercedes today, hopefully with my new ones if I've managed to pick them up by then so we may be able to get something sorted.

ETA: Having spent more time Googling it seems that there are several variants of the 202 part number above, including the one pictured below which looks like it may fit, so I'm now wondering if someone may be boxing them up wrong?



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Just give them a good spray with silicone lubricant before and after fitting them they will last longer .
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Chris190
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The A2023503408 number is correct, and this is the kit I fitted to my 16v when I rebuilt the rear suspension. They should look like the bushes in your last picture (the one taken from ECS). It would appear that Mercedes have put the wrong bushes in the box.

If you want to go with an aftermarket supplier I would normally only use Lemforder, however I've just had a look at their web catalogue and it would appear that they no longer supply either the earlier style bushes or the later 202 style. You may still be able to find somewhere that still has them in stock though - these are the original style Mister Auto.


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optimusprime
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:48 am
Just give them a good spray with silicone lubricant before and after fitting them they will last longer .

Thanks, already done on the fronts, still waiting for rears.

You still got the Austin 3 Litre as in your avatar by the way? I had one many years ago. :)

Chris190
Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:49 pm
The A2023503408 number is correct, and this is the kit I fitted to my 16v when I rebuilt the rear suspension. They should look like the bushes in your last picture (the one taken from ECS). It would appear that Mercedes have put the wrong bushes in the box.

If you want to go with an aftermarket supplier I would normally only use Lemforder, however I've just had a look at their web catalogue and it would appear that they no longer supply either the earlier style bushes or the later 202 style. You may still be able to find somewhere that still has them in stock though - these are the original style Mister Auto.


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Thanks Chris, been back down to Merc again an hour or so ago. The parts guy is adamant they're correct because his computer says so but one of the mechanics, who luckily I happen to know, popped his head round the window and agreed with me so there's another set on it's way from somewhere in the network. I would agree about the wrong bushes in the box, this sounds the most logical explanation. He reckons not though as they came from Germany so must be correct...

There's a mod mentioned on the bolts but that's just a case of not using the Torx ones which come with the kit, and using a shorter (supplied) pair instead.

Another day of waiting around. At least I can get my brake hoses done while I'm waiting...
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Crazy :no: I hope you manage to get it sorted.
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daveenty
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:58 pm
Crazy :no: I hope you manage to get it sorted.


Thanks Stu. These things are sent to try us.

Went to MB again today and they have yet another box with the wrong ones in so I've gone for after market ones. They actually have a 201 part number on them so may possibly be old stock. I'm aiming to get the subframe back on the car tomorrow but I can't do much else today as everything (internal and external) is absolutely lagged in Bilt Hamber ready for assembly but it's dripping from every orifice at the moment.

All being well it will have set a bit by the morning, at least enough so I don't have to wear a shower cap. :)
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I've been reading with interest as my 190 is on axle stands ready to tackle the same job.

Could you confirm the aftermarket brand of the bushes you've purchased?

Thanks.
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Hi Ally,

As Chris says above, the MB part number is theoretically correct but I've tried 2 sets now from Mercedes and they've both been wrong, which is why I went the aftermarket route. I was going to go for the Lemforder ones mentioned but, as time was of the essence, I went for Birth 5561. Possibly not the best make but I needed my garage back for another couple of jobs and I could get these in a day as I picked them up.

They actually have a Mercedes part number on them (201 351 28 42), seem extremely well made and fitted perfectly so I'm happy.

Oh, and they were 19 for the pair from here: http://samraparts.co.uk/

Car now back together and feels nice and firm to drive so hopefully they'll be OK for a good while. Another bonus is that I have no warning lights after learning how to bleed the ASD from this site. :)
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ooh!

personally would p**s on samra if they were on fire.
shocking fraudulant experience 29 years ago.

sorry, but had to say my piece.
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I can only speak as I find them really, as I've no previous with them.

They were very helpful on the phone, got the parts in less than 24 hours, sent me videos and photos of them via Whatsapp to ensure they were the ones I needed and really went out of their way to be of assistance.

100% customer service in my opinion.
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hope your experience with them was good.
my experience with them was 29 years ago. still a very very bitter taste in my mouth/
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